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re: I'm Proud to be an American, Where At Least I Know I'm Free?
Posted on 4/12/14 at 11:05 am to AlaTiger
Posted on 4/12/14 at 11:05 am to AlaTiger
I always found the song corny and jingoistic-it was never to me a true expression of American greatness the way a shuttle launch was, or The World Series was, or just listening to your Grandpa tell you about his childhood was. We had a real sense of who we were that we've lost.
Sincere patriotism is scorned as much as jingoistic patriotism is. Any expression of love for Country is likely to be met with that kind of Leftist cultural dismissiveness we are all so familiar with.
And now with so many on the Right thinking America is in inexorable decline with our best days behind us, I think it will only increase. We are at a Cultural crossroads, when over half our country has basically repudiated our Traditions, Principles and Ideals.
Sincere patriotism is scorned as much as jingoistic patriotism is. Any expression of love for Country is likely to be met with that kind of Leftist cultural dismissiveness we are all so familiar with.
And now with so many on the Right thinking America is in inexorable decline with our best days behind us, I think it will only increase. We are at a Cultural crossroads, when over half our country has basically repudiated our Traditions, Principles and Ideals.
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Posted on 4/12/14 at 2:38 pm to AlaTiger
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Anyone feel a tightness in your gut when you hear those words now? Like it is not true anymore - or perhaps less true than it was? Maybe it is just heartburn. Was watching Captain America last week and I remember feeling like I was watching something subversive and worrying a bit about the filmmakers and wondering how they could get away with the veiled criticism of the surveillance state that is growing. It was not a conscious thought - just an unease and a question emerging. Can we do this? Can we say this without retribution? I am not actively trying to think these things. They just come up now. Anyone else feeling this way or is it just me?
Trust me, you are not the only one. In fact, something would have to be a little off for a person to not have concerns about the state of affairs our society is in.
Bush opened the flood gates to the current police state. All of the homeland security bureaucracy that was created during the Bush admin was originally aimed at protecting the country mostly from Islamic terrorism, but now that the country's demographic transition is in full effect and America is permanently left of what it has ever been, the current administration is seeking to redirect as much of the national security apparatus as possible toward any sector of the country which disagrees with the new agenda.
This post was edited on 4/12/14 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 4/12/14 at 5:38 pm to Antonio Moss
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In certain aspects, we're the freest we've ever been. Hell, 50 years ago, states were prohibiting condoms and interracial marriage. 30 years ago, sodomy was illegal on most places. 5 years ago, DC and Illinois banned the ownership of handguns.
None of this nonsense is tolerated today.
Good points.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 5:44 pm to AlaTiger
Meh, we're more free than 99.9% of the societies which have ever existed.
Prior to America, pretty much every soul since the dawn of recorded history lived and died in a society where they could be killed for looking at a societal elite the wrong way, worshiping the wrong god or saying the wrong thing in public. The fact that you might be heard by the government talking about how bitchy your wife is over the phone just seems so insignificant by comparison.
Im against the sort of government intrusion and oversight we see today, but I just dont lose sleep over it.
Prior to America, pretty much every soul since the dawn of recorded history lived and died in a society where they could be killed for looking at a societal elite the wrong way, worshiping the wrong god or saying the wrong thing in public. The fact that you might be heard by the government talking about how bitchy your wife is over the phone just seems so insignificant by comparison.
Im against the sort of government intrusion and oversight we see today, but I just dont lose sleep over it.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 5:47 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Im against the sort of government intrusion and oversight we see today, but I just dont lose sleep over it.
This. I think far too many people spend way too much of their time listening to talk shows and reading scary websites and chain emails. Get off the computer and go enjoy your family, friends, and freedom. Go to church, go out to eat, have fun, live life.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 6:20 pm to Lsupimp
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And now with so many on the Right thinking America is in inexorable decline with our best days behind us,
Can't believe I'm reading this shite. If you really think this, you need your arse kicked. Maybe you want to roll over in a fetal ball and ask for the approval of your betters.
Sorry, but there are better days ahead for the USA.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 6:36 pm to AlaTiger
quote:It flat isn't true anymore.
Anyone feel a tightness in your gut when you hear those words now? Like it is not true anymore - or perhaps less true than it was?
Moreover, most Americans are happy that it's not true although they wouldn't articulate it that way. I also think the "land of the free" line needs to be revoked.
Americans flat out do not value freedom in any meaningful way. Oh, they value freedom for themselves but could give two frick's about their neighbor's freedom if him being free means they don't get some shite they want. That really isn't "valuing" freedom.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 6:39 pm to SettleDown
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oreover, most Americans are happy that it's not true
Posted on 4/12/14 at 6:40 pm to Antonio Moss
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In certain aspects, we're the freest we've ever been. Hell, 50 years ago, states were prohibiting condoms and interracial marriage. 30 years ago, sodomy was illegal on most places. 5 years ago, DC and Illinois banned the ownership of handguns.
None of this nonsense is tolerated today.
These are good points but I would assert that what we've done is progressed to substantially less economic freedom and I find that to be a larger infringement.
Why do I say that?
Well, let's face it. You could completely ignore anti-sodomy laws and to be certain, most did. Many social prohibitions have been exceedingly difficult to enforce in reality. At least, far more difficult than what we have out there now.
But, you can't ignore when someone takes you resources or tells you how you are allowed to use your resources.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 6:41 pm to notiger1997
quote:Laugh all you want. Most Americans valued freedom for themselves. After that, not so much.
notiger1997
Posted on 4/12/14 at 6:52 pm to SettleDown
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Americans flat out do not value freedom in any meaningful way.
You're just not seeing the sheep dogs. Quit the bellyaching. Think about what you want the country to be like, and do something about it.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 8:29 pm to AlaTiger
That is an awful awful song.
That's the best you got about America? I doubt Lee was ever in uniform or he'd have something better to contribute.
That's the best you got about America? I doubt Lee was ever in uniform or he'd have something better to contribute.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 8:36 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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That's the best you got about America? I doubt Lee was ever in uniform or he'd have something better to contribute.
Greenwood was of prime draft age during Vietnam, but had a deferment because he was already married and had children. So he wasn't a draft dodger-OTOH, he didn't rush out and enlist, either, and there were plenty of married guys in the service who didn't use that as an excuse.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 8:42 pm to son of arlo
Let us see if you can figure out where your mistake occurred:
Damn man. Really?
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And now with so many on the Right thinking America is in inexorable decline with our best days behind us,
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If you really think this, you need your arse kicked. Maybe you want to roll over in a fetal ball and ask for the approval of your betters.
Damn man. Really?
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:04 pm to AlaTiger
Yep. Go to a foreign country and do stuff you'd at least get a fine over while in America. Trust me, once I knew what was up in China, I was never nervous about the police over there. I'm still nervous about them over here. People who thick the America is the true symbol of freedom are incredibly naive and have likely never left the country.
Posted on 4/12/14 at 9:18 pm to Lsupimp
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Damn man. Really?
Yeah, really.
Americans are the best people in the world IMHO. Let's stop the 24/7/365 mopefest about Obama and think towards the future.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 12:35 am to asurob1
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I fricking hate that song.
My brother, who graduated from West Point in the top 2% of his class, and is a career Army officer, hates it too. Years ago, on a 4th of July, he and I were riding in his car when that song came on the radio, and he said "this is the song they always play when they're trying to brainwash us with their propaganda films". My brother, who is the closest thing I know to a real life adult boy scout, is as patriotic as they come, but he abhors jingoism.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 12:50 am to AlaTiger
I'm Proud to be an American,
Where At Least I Know I'm Free,
And I won't forget the men who died,
So I could watch TV,
And I proudly stand up,
But only for a second,
'Cause Wheel of Fortune's comin' on
And there ain't no doubt,
I love that show,
God bless the USA.
Where At Least I Know I'm Free,
And I won't forget the men who died,
So I could watch TV,
And I proudly stand up,
But only for a second,
'Cause Wheel of Fortune's comin' on
And there ain't no doubt,
I love that show,
God bless the USA.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 12:57 am to Ole War Skule
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seems that America has always needed a boogie man to mobilize against. Since the fall of communism, it seems we have looked inward and now see our own citizens as the enemy.
Well stated.
Posted on 4/13/14 at 2:25 am to AlaTiger
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Anyone feel a tightness in your gut when you hear those words now
Hell no! Living in the US and being successful is SO EASY! The media tries to scare you but if you can't make it here you are a huge douchebag.
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