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re: I'm on team 'Re-Open some businesses in May'

Posted on 4/23/20 at 10:33 am to
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93415 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 10:33 am to
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Economist by trade but I work in analytics


So, when does your analysis say we get back to "normal" economically once we open up? I'm optimistically all ears.


Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
8577 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 10:34 am to
The economic damage will not be temporary.

The deficit spending alone that this has caused will ensure that. As will all the municipal and state bankruptcies that are 100% coming.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
This post was edited on 4/23/20 at 10:35 am
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 10:36 am to
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I don’t understand people with this mindset who think we can somehow flip a switch and all the businesses and jobs are back to normal.


It's the same people that think a viral test is available at the snap of their fingers, ventilators can magically appear out of thin air in 24 hours, and a vaccine can be distributed in a week.

People do not live in reality.
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
8577 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 10:36 am to
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Which one are you in real life?

Economist by trade but I work in analytics


I am an economist by trade as well and you're full of shite. This thing will be far from temporary.
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
19386 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 10:37 am to
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So, when does your analysis say we get back to "normal" economically once we open up? I'm optimistically all ears.

Governors should decide. We have 50 different economies with 50 different levels of infection. Your level of success will depend on how good your Governor is.
I believe that anyone who runs for higher office should have at least been a Governor at one point or another. They actually run things on a smaller scale.
Arkansas can open now IMO.

Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93415 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 10:38 am to
So you cant answer
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24096 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 10:39 am to
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I'm pro social distancing and in favor of the shutdown.


So anti science and reason.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
116710 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 10:41 am to
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RE OPEN ALL BUSINESSES IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT, YOU CAN STAY HOME WHILE THE REST OF US WORK AND ENGAGE IN COMMERCE fricking tired of some people trying to hold everyone else back.


Well, for safety we need to take a more cautious approach. I propose opening some businesses tomorrow.
Then we can open the rest on Monday.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154590 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 10:42 am to
Answer his question, if you don’t mind. We are interested in the viewpoint from the other side.
This post was edited on 4/23/20 at 10:43 am
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93415 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 10:49 am to
So no answer from the economist on how this economic melt is temporary?
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109675 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 10:59 am to
My question had nothing to do with the timing of opening or the qualifications of elected officials. I'm not sure what you were even answering.
This post was edited on 4/23/20 at 11:00 am
Posted by dreigh
Member since Mar 2020
61 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 11:03 am to
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Maybe with something to protect the vulnerable from being forced into work until we are clear.


How about not forcing the non-vulnerable OUT of work?

Also, no one is being forced into work, vulnerable or otherwise. Let this be an issue settled between employers and employees, like nearly every other health-related issue up to this point.

Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
19386 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 11:09 am to
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Governors should decide. We have 50 different economies with 50 different levels of infection. Your level of success will depend on how good your Governor is.

Interesting that this got downvotes. The economy of Arkansas is not the same as New York.
Arkansas will be back to "normal" in 6 months. With agi being our main product that will not slow down. People still have to eat.

Areas that rely on tourism will be hit harder. However, a lot of our tourism is outdoors where people were already distancing. We'll be good there as well. One of the things that have hurt Arkansas in the past will now be a blessing IMO. And for the most part, people in AR just don't give a shite.

I can not speak nationwide because we have 50 different economies. What I definitely see is people who own leasing space are fricked. Companies will look to cut costs immediately. If they were able to maintain productivity with less people and space then that will be the new "normal". People will be out of jobs for sure but other opportunities will open up especially in areas of infrastructure (hopefully).

Normally there are winners and losers during a downturn but in this instance almost everyone are losers so the playing field stays relatively level.

Another thing I see happening without a doubt is that this will lower wages. All of gains will be lost and we will even regress IMO. That part won't be temporary. Companies are going to squeeze people into lower salaries due to supply and demand. Hopefully innovation will appear in some form or another.

We are still a service based economy and those services will still be needed. If it gets too bad then I'm sure we'll just go to war.

Take it for what its worth.
Posted by SaintsnTigers1
Member since Nov 2015
540 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 11:14 am to
Realistically, even with opening businesses up, it's going to be quite a while before many businesses return to the pre-virus level. Many people are not going to go to a movie, restaurant, ride on an airplane, take a cruise, etc.. anytime soon.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109675 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 11:17 am to
Looks like a lot of words to concede that there is no way we are getting anything close to being back to "normal" again anytime soon.

I appreciate the answer, though.
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
48737 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 11:20 am to
I'm on team Re-Open everything Now! Should have never been shut to begin with. This virus is a hoax.
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
19386 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 11:21 am to
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Looks like a lot of words to concede

Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125394 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 11:25 am to
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Many people are not going to go to a movie, restaurant, ride on an airplane, take a cruise, etc.. anytime soon.


Other than taking a cruise, which I do not do anyway, I will do all of the above. I’ll be in the theaters the day they open providing there’s a movie worth seeing. And I’ll probably precede it with a nice dinner out.
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
20698 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 11:33 am to
Do you know what occurs in May? Mothers’s Day which is quite possibly the single busiest day of the year for restaurants across the country. As it stands now, restaurants will either remain closed inside or only allowed a very limited capacity. Either way, I predict that many restaurants won’t survive past Mother’s Day. You simply can’t rob them of the revenue and expect them to survive.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109675 posts
Posted on 4/23/20 at 11:34 am to
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Looks like a lot of words to concede

Whatever helps you sleep at night.


Dude, I was just looking for optimism, and you seem to be saying nothing much will change in Arkansas but most everyone else is screwed.
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