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re: I’m not a fan of federal agents trying to step in and crack down in these cities
Posted on 7/24/20 at 7:50 am to DavidTheGnome
Posted on 7/24/20 at 7:50 am to DavidTheGnome
this "fed crackdown" is nothing more than this....
you have a vacation home in some remote place out of state. You live in another. For some reason the vacation home is in danger of being destroyed and the local enforcement says your place just isn't a high priority. You should up to protect your 2nd home because....well, it's yours and no one elses. (nothing political)
If Trump saves a life because his "stormtroopers" are there and the local PD has been told to stand down, then that's icing on the top. Federal bldgs....federal property.
you have a vacation home in some remote place out of state. You live in another. For some reason the vacation home is in danger of being destroyed and the local enforcement says your place just isn't a high priority. You should up to protect your 2nd home because....well, it's yours and no one elses. (nothing political)
If Trump saves a life because his "stormtroopers" are there and the local PD has been told to stand down, then that's icing on the top. Federal bldgs....federal property.
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Posted on 7/24/20 at 7:51 am to DavidTheGnome
Ikr.
If local authorities and politicians agree that innocent women should be beat or raped..and buildings burned down.. then that should be the end of it. Feds have no business sticking their noses in.
A mayor should be allowed to sit up high above the masses and give a thumbs up or a thumbs down...if they want someone to live or die. It's bullshite that some federal assholes are trying to step in. Those people are the property of a city or state, before they are American citizens.
Those mayors and governors literally behaving like frickin dictators...while they claim righteousness and accuse federal agents of being dictators.
If local authorities and politicians agree that innocent women should be beat or raped..and buildings burned down.. then that should be the end of it. Feds have no business sticking their noses in.
A mayor should be allowed to sit up high above the masses and give a thumbs up or a thumbs down...if they want someone to live or die. It's bullshite that some federal assholes are trying to step in. Those people are the property of a city or state, before they are American citizens.
Those mayors and governors literally behaving like frickin dictators...while they claim righteousness and accuse federal agents of being dictators.
This post was edited on 7/24/20 at 7:53 am
Posted on 7/24/20 at 7:57 am to jchamil
I don’t understand how people cannot see the obvious precedent this sets for the left when they take control. We already know the feds are not our friends, and almost solely exist to jack hammer away at our personal freedoms from whichever angle they can hide. Wtf do you think will happen when we have a democrat in office who pulls an unconstitutional reversal of the 2 A, and then conservatives say ok come and take it. Except now we have seen that the govt can just send in the storm troopers to whisk you away in a van. How many of your golfing buddies down the street going missing in the middle of the night will it take before you drop off your guns at the local city hall?
Posted on 7/24/20 at 7:59 am to DavidTheGnome
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I’m for small government, period.
Are you sure you are?
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And I defer to states rights and powers over federal.
Except on stuff you think the feds should do, right?
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I prefer not to have federal agents out there patrolling the streets no matter how much they seem to be "needed".
So, you expect the feds to step back from ICE facilities, Federal Courthouses, etc. and let the mob burn them down because the local authorities constitute the political wing of Antifa?
Unfortunately, if the locals fail and they're needed, then they're needed. I don't know what else to tell you.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 8:11 am to Bestbank
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safety from graffiti
Posted on 7/24/20 at 8:12 am to miramon
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I don’t understand how people cannot see the obvious precedent this sets for the left when they take control.
Are you under the impression this is the first time feds have been sent in to handle shite in cities? This is not really setting any precedent
Posted on 7/24/20 at 8:13 am to Ace Midnight
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So, you expect the feds to step back from ICE facilities, Federal Courthouses,
Yes. Let all that sh** burn. No skin off my back. Buddy, listen, the feds are not our friends. They are like a fkng vampire, just waiting for you to invite them in your house so they can drink your blood.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 8:25 am to BigB123
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enforce federal law and protect federal property that isn’t paid for just by the people of Portland but by every American.
This man gets it
Posted on 7/24/20 at 8:31 am to kingbob
Some of them are pulling out undercover ops
Posted on 7/24/20 at 8:31 am to TigerB8
I haven't read the entire thread, but I think to bring in the feds or not has validity on both sides. I tend to lean against to feds involvement. What would happen if political power was reversed, and you lived in a Republican run city or state and the biden admin wanted the feds to come to your city to support antifa/blm against your police force?
Posted on 7/24/20 at 8:35 am to mightyMick
I don't love it. But, you can't use military. So, if it's federal agents monitoring and then picking off people they already have evidence of destroying property, I'll accept it.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 8:40 am to Bunk Moreland
Its a bad move
They come for them you applaud
They come for you...different group applauds
both are wrong
They come for them you applaud
They come for you...different group applauds
both are wrong
Posted on 7/24/20 at 8:45 am to DavidTheGnome
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Wanted to give what’s probably a different perspective and opinion on here
First off all federal agents are in cities all over America before this started doing whatever it is they are assigned to do.
Secondly they are making cases under federal law which they have always done
Thirdly, the president has right to allocate those federal resources into places where the presence is necessary in a place such as Chicago
Lastly the President has the authority to quell insurrection and ensure order
You and all these protestors probably forgot how the federal government sent troops into the South in the 50's and 60's to restore order and implement federal law. Why was it OK then but not now?
This post was edited on 7/24/20 at 8:47 am
Posted on 7/24/20 at 8:55 am to mightyMick
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I haven't read the entire thread, but I think to bring in the feds or not has validity on both sides.
I'm sorry, but not in this case. You have one person wanting to protect property, and one person letting the mob destroy property which they are then going to request federal funds to fix.
So, no, there is only one side. Now if the police were allowed in these areas to do their jobs, then you would have a point. However, there isn't any need for the government to send LEOs into those cities.
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I tend to lean against to feds involvement.
The feds are not getting involved. They are simply protecting federal property because the local police department isn't.
Now, since some of these violent rioters are trying to disable/blind our officers, those guys are taken out wherever they can be.
So, the feds are only protecting federal property and federal lives.
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What would happen if political power was reversed, and you lived in a Republican run city or state and the biden admin wanted the feds to come to your city to support antifa/blm against your police force?
Oh, you mean like when Kennedy mobilized military units and sent them into mississippi?
He sent elements from numerous military units including the 101st airborne into mississippi. You know this right? And actually, I don't really have a problem with that. Federal Law rules.
Now Biden sending troops into a city to allow antifa to riot and destroy property would be a ridiculous premise. But sending troops in to quell riots have been done many times before.
And trump is not sending in troops. He is sending in LEOs. Major difference.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 9:03 am to mightyMick
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I haven't read the entire thread, but I think to bring in the feds or not has validity on both sides. I tend to lean against to feds involvement. What would happen if political power was reversed, and you lived in a Republican run city or state and the biden admin wanted the feds to come to your city to support antifa/blm against your police force?
except you completely ignore the fact that antifa is destroying FEDERAL property. Setting it on fire, etc...they are protecting FEDERAL PROPERTY. It's called a law and they have consequences if broken, you should look it up.
Your hypothetical does not convey any accurate parallels.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 9:07 am to wmr
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Question. Do you believe federal troops should have enforced Civil Rights legislation, when local authorities would not?
I'll bet DtG doesn't directly answer your question and provide a cogent explanation why he believes in FedGov LE personnel enforcing FedGov law in one instance but not another. I know this because his "I believe in small government" dictum is shattered by your question.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 9:09 am to jimdog
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What are your feelings BTW, concerning Lincoln "stepping in" to save he union and what is now America from states rights back about 160 years ago.
I was against that but I'm FOR Trump's troops restoring order.
There! I'm as logically consistent as OP. I feel fine.
Posted on 7/24/20 at 9:10 am to Tmcgin
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They come for them you applaud
They come for you...different group applauds
If I were to be involved in looting, vandalism, destruction of property, inciting violence, etc. I would fully expect some sort of law enforcement to come after me. I don't see why they shouldn't expect the same. Are we just supposed to let them do what they want? If so, when is enough enough?
Posted on 7/24/20 at 9:11 am to DavidTheGnome
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These troops coming in won’t stop the protests and violence, that’s a generally tone deaf response. It’s like throwing fuel on the fire and will only serve to intensify the protests and draw more of them out than there were previously.
I think they're really just going in and arresting Antifa leaders right now. Not necessarily stopping the protests.
That's what I want.Go get the really bad one and let the protests/light riots continue in the Dem run cities. Let the people see!
Posted on 7/24/20 at 9:16 am to xGeauxLSUx
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Your answer is to just let these cities self-destruct and burn to the ground??
That is EXACTLY the answer
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