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Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:13 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
Look,this story isnt one,imo,that needs to be nitpicked to death. All of the racism , addiction ,past behavior,and criminal record shite, is useful in trial ,I get that.
I know it's all about right wing,left wing,black and white,and good cop, bad cop, in our society today.
Just take all of that shite away ,imagine we are all the same and their is no black or white and their are no addicts. Just think about humanity in general.
The cop treated his fellow man in a way that isnt what his job and fellow man hired him to do.
If you just imagine it was a friend of yours ,then I'd think most of you would realize that it just wasnt right and he deserves to be in prison for treating a fellow human in that way
I know it's all about right wing,left wing,black and white,and good cop, bad cop, in our society today.
Just take all of that shite away ,imagine we are all the same and their is no black or white and their are no addicts. Just think about humanity in general.
The cop treated his fellow man in a way that isnt what his job and fellow man hired him to do.
If you just imagine it was a friend of yours ,then I'd think most of you would realize that it just wasnt right and he deserves to be in prison for treating a fellow human in that way
Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:13 pm to JPinLondon
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You take a "victim" as they are. Thus if someone has a blood clotting issue and you slap them in the face and cause a nosebleed and they die... your "simple assault" charge CAN/WILL be taken higher to a manslaughter or similar charge!
Slapping somebody in the face is a crime. Arresting somebody is different. So the issue here is was the arrest lawful and conducted properly. If so, your doctrine doesn't mean shite.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:16 pm to HL
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low dose of fentanyl in his system
Show this to us pal. You're full of shite.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:19 pm to Baylor Kyle
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1. I am pretty convinced murder was a clear over-charge for political reasons. The Minnesota state seems a little confusing in terms of intent (vs. conventional wisdom), but there is zero evidence Chauvin intentionally killed Floyd.
intent to commit homicide is not required for any of the charges. murder 2 requires intent to attempt a felony which causes the death of another. They argued the felony was assault as DC used unreasonable force.
quote:His superiors testified the restraint was approved but the application was not consistent with how a reasonable officer would have used it. his partners are on footage asking to change up restraint, but DC disregarded their concerns. it was used excessively. - assault.
2. Given the testimony of the prosecution witness that Chauvin employed a department-approved submission consistent with department-approved guidelines, I reject that a felony assault occurred.
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4. The autopsy did not list the submission employed as the cause of death.
It doesnt need to. It proved homicide occurred, due to the subdual and restraint.
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5. Given all the drugs he took ... especially if he swallowed a bunch in the car ... not obvious to me he would not have been dead if simply left in the car.
say grandma overdoses on fentanyl so you decide to smother her. Do you think 'well she may have died anyway' excuses you smothering her?
Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:19 pm to Tigerpride18
quote:Except for the part where they actually teach that method of restraint?
Look,this story isnt one,imo,that needs to be nitpicked to death. All of the racism , addiction ,past behavior,and criminal record shite, is useful in trial ,I get that.
I know it's all about right wing,left wing,black and white,and good cop, bad cop, in our society today.
Just take all of that shite away ,imagine we are all the same and their is no black or white and their are no addicts. Just think about humanity in general.
The cop treated his fellow man in a way that isnt what his job and fellow man hired him to do.
If you just imagine it was a friend of yours ,then I'd think most of you would realize that it just wasnt right and he deserves to be in prison for treating a fellow human in that way
St. Fentanyl killed himself.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:19 pm to Tigerpride18
quote:
The cop treated his fellow man in a way that isnt what his job and fellow man hired him to do.
If you just imagine it was a friend of yours ,then I'd think most of you would realize that it just wasnt right and he deserves to be in prison for treating a fellow human in that way
I understand your point. How do you think Chauvin should have handled the situation? (not arguing genuinely curious)
Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:21 pm to Baylor Kyle
[quote]), but there is zero evidence Chauvin intentionally
What I saw ,said that he was convicted with UNINTENTIONAL 2nd degree murder.
Were you talking about one of the other ones ?
The only charge i saw that had the words 2nd degree murder in them, had the word unintentional in front of them
What I saw ,said that he was convicted with UNINTENTIONAL 2nd degree murder.
Were you talking about one of the other ones ?
The only charge i saw that had the words 2nd degree murder in them, had the word unintentional in front of them
Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:22 pm to L.A.
I woulda been fine with manslaughter, but I think murder is too much.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:23 pm to L.A.
Chauvin should have received a change of venue. Also, with threats of doxxing the jury members, outside interference from Maxine Waters and Joe Xiden there should have been a mistrial.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:24 pm to Baylor Kyle
Once he put handcuffs on him the knee should have come off. Actually it should have as soon as his hands were clasped together behind his back.
They really could have just put their knee on his back.
The fact that the cop wasnt alone and had other officers to help ,just destroys any argument that he and the others correctly subdued floyd
They really could have just put their knee on his back.
The fact that the cop wasnt alone and had other officers to help ,just destroys any argument that he and the others correctly subdued floyd
Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:27 pm to Chet Donnely
Yeah. The “3X the lethal amount” is overused. But there’s no way to claim he had a low dose of fentanyl in his system.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:27 pm to Baylor Kyle
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I understand your point. How do you think Chauvin should have handled the situation? (not arguing genuinely curious)
well he could have listened to his partner(s) asking to de-escalate force. he could have discontinued force on someone he knew was pulseless and not breathing for minutes. that's all timestamped and on body cams. he could have followed de-escalation protocol and acted like a reasonable officer would. these things lend support to the felony assault as the basis for murder 2.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:27 pm to L.A.
Manslaughter would be appropriate.
Murder charges were just pure mob justice.
Murder charges were just pure mob justice.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:28 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
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Except for the part where they actually teach that method of restraint?
They dont teach you to subdue in that manner unless you're alone and waiting for backup.
Cmon man,that's a joke to even try to say they did it the way its taught. I would know ,I promise. I've asked friends that were cops . They said the fact he had backup changes his approach to subduing a person. Training wise
Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:29 pm to the808bass
Fentanyl is irrelevant if it wasnt the autopsied cause of death.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:31 pm to L.A.
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IMO Chauvin was over-charged with the 2 murder charges, but rightly charged with manslaughter in the second degree.
My prediction was manslaughter, specifically because this includes negligence. I'm not totally shocked by the guilty murder charges, but I do think the jury was influenced by all of the media and political attention.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:32 pm to Tigerpride18
quote:Oh, you have friends that work for Minneapolis PD?
They dont teach you to subdue in that manner unless you're alone and waiting for backup.
Cmon man,that's a joke to even try to say they did it the way its taught. I would know ,I promise. I've asked friends that were cops . They said the fact he had backup changes his approach to subduing a person. Training wise
Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:32 pm to L.A.
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A person who causes the death of another by any of the following means is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than ten years or to payment of a fine of not more than $20,000, or both:
(1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another
If it were shown beyond a reasonable doubt that the knee actually led to his death, I'd agree.
Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:33 pm to the808bass
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Yeah. The “3X the lethal amount” is overused. But there’s no way to claim he had a low dose of fentanyl in his system.
his fentanyl level were very survivable. (I believe N ~2400ish) he had statistically equivalent level to similar individuals being arrested and survived a fentanyl-DUI. He something like half to a third below the median levels for fatal ODs for similar individuals.
his meth levels were very low.
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