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I'm Guessing Rand and Ron Paul are with the Bergdahls

Posted on 6/2/14 at 3:47 pm
Posted by HarveyDent
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 3:47 pm
For political reasons I would imagine they are going to stay really quiet on this one. But I think they approve of this swap, the viewpoints expressed by Bob Bergdahl, and won't have anything but praise for the Administration on this prison swap.

Anyone else got predictions on how possible presidential candidates and Libertarians will view this?
Posted by Navytiger74
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 3:48 pm to
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Anyone else got predictions on how possible presidential candidates and Libertarians will view this?


The smart ones will sit this out until things crystalize a bit. Nothing to be gained by wading into uncertain waters at this point.
Posted by monsterballads
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 3:49 pm to
don't think so
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 3:51 pm to
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But I think they approve of this swap,

Why?
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 3:52 pm to
I'm guessing they are not.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 3:53 pm to
quote:

I'm Guessing Rand and Ron Paul are with the Bergdahls
Are you?
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 3:54 pm to
What would lead you to think that?
Posted by 4LSU2
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 3:55 pm to
No one is really going to say or do anything until more information comes out. Jindal issued a half-assed statement today saying he was glad the traitor was released, but upset at the release of 5 high ranking terrorists.
Posted by monsterballads
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 3:55 pm to
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Anyone else got predictions on how possible presidential candidates and Libertarians will view this?


bergdahl signed a contract. he breached said contract and should have been left to spend his days with his new friends.
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 3:58 pm to
quote:

For political reasons I would imagine they are going to stay really quiet on this one. But I think they approve of this swap, the viewpoints expressed by Bob Bergdahl, and won't have anything but praise for the Administration on this prison swap.

Anyone else got predictions on how possible presidential candidates and Libertarians will view this?


If the numerous allegations of Bergdahl's former peers are true, then I seriously doubt Rand Paul will do anything but condemn him.

The smart ones on every part of the spectrum will stay quiet until an investigation and possible court-martial are complete.

Libertarians value the sanctity of contracts above almost all else; Bergdahl willingly and freely entered into a contract with the American military, and he allegedly failed to live up to his side of the bargain because of his moral weakness. That he got about a dozen others killed because of his decision will ensure that no serious political thinker will be backing his actions come election time.

Ron Paul voted in favor of the war in Afghanistan, and his son campaigned as being in favor of it as part of his platform.
Posted by beebefootballfan
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 4:04 pm to
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bergdahl signed a contract. he breached said contract and should have been left to spend his days with his new friends.

Posted by HarveyDent
Harvey
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 4:10 pm to
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What would lead you to think that?


Specific comments the Father made, they align with, and are almost a blueprint of what Ron Paul has said in the past. And then there is this (just in): LINK

I'm reserving judgement myself. This Administration (as much as most here would like to think otherwise) is cunning and smart, not stupid.
Posted by beebefootballfan
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 4:13 pm to
So who is lying, Rolling Stone or NBC? Their stories conflict with each other.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 4:13 pm to
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Specific comments the Father made, they align with, and are almost a blueprint of what Ron Paul has said in the past.


I'm going to need specifics here (I honestly have no idea what you are talking about).

quote:

And then there is this (just in)

Okay? I'm not going to say I'm skeptical of the article (wonderful timing and what not), but regardless of how patriotic the family is, it has no bearing on what the son might have done.
Posted by HarveyDent
Harvey
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 4:34 pm to
He said a few things about understanding the war, the afghan people, and why they were over there(the father). He mentioned how the people of Afghan are just as patriotic as us, want to be free, and not treated as subhuman.

The son also made comments to the effect basically expressing his frustration with the mission, and the purpose of being over there.

And it's true. A 10+ year war takes on an ugly life of its own after awhile. Soldiers forget what the cause is...are we freeing people, trying to overthrow a dictator, defending neighboring countries from a great danger etc. most are joining for the money, some excitement, and the few who are still their for noble reasons, and are still thinking and not just blindly following orders, go through this dilemma. It's easy to find yourself in an atmosphere of Meatheads versus Nerds, the military often purports that kind of atmosphere (see 'A Few Good Men')

Anyway, like I said, I have a feeling this story will flip in a few days, and the Paul's will get out in front of it. Why them? I've been keeping up with them a lot lately. I can't link it all, but they should be itching to speak on this.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 6/2/14 at 4:37 pm to
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Anyone else got predictions on how possible presidential candidates and Libertarians will view this?


This decision doesn't really implicate "libertarian" views. I would guess Rand, et al, have remained silent since there seems to be a whirlwind of conflicting information.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 6/2/14 at 4:40 pm to
So if you hold a POV and someone expresses a similar view on some of your POV that means you are aligned with them and approve of them regardless of any whackiness they engage in which would be unrelated to your POV or would be something you repudiate?
Posted by Gmorgan4982
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 4:43 pm to
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Libertarians value the sanctity of contracts above almost all else
I am a libertarian and view any contract with the government as illegitimate.
This post was edited on 6/2/14 at 4:43 pm
Posted by RCDfan1950
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Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 6/2/14 at 4:48 pm to
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The smart ones on every part of the spectrum will stay quiet until an investigation and possible court-martial are complete.


I suspect that Eric Holder and the Top Obama Brass are dusting up their investigatory package right now. The folk in Bergdahls unit are going on a loonnngg vacation. With orders to keep their mouths shut.

:beatdeadhorse:
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
8577 posts
Posted on 6/2/14 at 4:50 pm to
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I am a libertarian and view any contract with the government as illegitimate.


Be more precise - you're an anarchist.
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