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HarveyDent
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re: Well, Rand Paul Surprise on Bergdahl (maybe)
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/3/14 at 5:55 pm to CptBengal
Guy, what are you arguing with me about? I am agreeing with you, he doesn't fit the legal description of a POW, that's why the swap happened. The Taliban had it both ways. They could argue NEVER letting him go, because, more or less, he appears to have left his ranks.
And the two terms in the same sentence doesn't validate one over the other. Berghdahl was definitely a prisoner, he wasn't free to leave the Taliban. He was detained by them, for 5 years.
Again, you are correct, no one called him a POW. A soldiers' dead body isn't a POW. But we try to get them back all the same.
Now, if you want to call him a defector, a traitor, then we can have a debate
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He isnt a prisoner. He's a deserter.
And the two terms in the same sentence doesn't validate one over the other. Berghdahl was definitely a prisoner, he wasn't free to leave the Taliban. He was detained by them, for 5 years.
Again, you are correct, no one called him a POW. A soldiers' dead body isn't a POW. But we try to get them back all the same.
Now, if you want to call him a defector, a traitor, then we can have a debate
re: Well, Rand Paul Surprise on Bergdahl (maybe)
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/3/14 at 5:06 pm to CptBengal
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Bergdahl wasnt a POW. No matter how hard you try to make him one. He was never, EVER a POW. Good to see you still posting rex.
You still arguing with thin air on that point, Clark? I agreed with you in the other thread. It's why it makes the prisoner swap even more urgent. The war is ending, we have detainees we will have to get rid of in the next year, why not try get this back, before it is too late?
The Taliban can make a good case for him not even remotely fitting the description of a POW, and hold him indefinitely. And there wouldn't be jack, as you have pointed out, you can do for a deserter.
So yeah, they may have put 'lipstick on a pig' here, by designating him a POW. But, they had no choice. He was being promoted while he was in capture, so wait to see what more comes out.
Hijack ended.
re: Re: Bergdahl; WH overrode existing protocol between agencies
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/3/14 at 4:56 pm to constant cough
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Kinda like Obama when he hears about scandals on the news huh?
Don't you get bored just copying and pasting the same thing in every thread, year-after-year?
re: Re: Bergdahl; WH overrode existing protocol between agencies
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/3/14 at 4:51 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Barack Hussein Milhous Obama could literally shoot a puppy in the face, while it was being held by a 6 year old cancer patient, and laugh, and the GOP couldn't do shite about it.
FIFY
re: Re: Bergdahl; WH overrode existing protocol between agencies
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/3/14 at 4:49 pm to Rickety Cricket
To be sure, it is more fodder/fuel on the fire for people that already hate this administration.
But at this point, surely you guys realize that this President doesn't give 2 licks what the Right thinks. Consider all the controversial moves he has made in his second term SO FAR. And there goes the new EPA regulations!
Do you guys really think he cares about how 'infuriated' John McCain, Lyndsey Graham, John 'Sleeping Beauty' Boehner, and the Tea Party get? I think it's all about his ego.
Maybe he heard the cries of lame duck. You know how sensitive he is...
But at this point, surely you guys realize that this President doesn't give 2 licks what the Right thinks. Consider all the controversial moves he has made in his second term SO FAR. And there goes the new EPA regulations!
Do you guys really think he cares about how 'infuriated' John McCain, Lyndsey Graham, John 'Sleeping Beauty' Boehner, and the Tea Party get? I think it's all about his ego.
Maybe he heard the cries of lame duck. You know how sensitive he is...
Well, Rand Paul Surprise on Bergdahl (maybe)
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/3/14 at 4:35 pm
Well, I am at the least, a terrible judge of political character, but at the most, I just gave the Senator a little too much benefit of the doubt.
In this thread LINK I predicted RP would probably sympathize with the Berghdahls, or at the least stay very quiet on this issue. A few other posters said no way (on sympathizing), some said he would be one of the smart guys and stay quiet on it (how long can you do that, as a possible GOP contender for 2016), others said Rand would 'follow the money', or votes, as it were.
Boy, were you guys right. On the Neil Cavuto show, or whatever it is called, I tuned in today because he had Rand Paul on @3:30pm. Not only did Rand denounce the entire Bergdahl deal, he said, if he were President, he would not Prisoner swap, under any circumstances. No deals. Ever.
Now here is where the head-scratching began. Neil tried to reel him back in by basically asking, 'Senator, you mean to tell me, you wouldn't swap POW's, and not even try to get American soldiers back home?' Rand thought about it, and basically amended his first response, citing a 'cessation' of war activity, as a possibility for doing so (isn't this what is going on?)
THEN, when asked if he would keep tabs on the 5 Talibans that were released (which Rand said he wouldn't release, under his Administration) Rand said, in a bumpersticker-worthy moment, that each one of them would have "A drone with his name on it".
!!!
Sorry, I think Rand Paul is the leading candidate for the GOP nomination, and one of the most interesting. I find this intriguing.
And as soon as I get a link or transcription to all of this I will update it.
In this thread LINK I predicted RP would probably sympathize with the Berghdahls, or at the least stay very quiet on this issue. A few other posters said no way (on sympathizing), some said he would be one of the smart guys and stay quiet on it (how long can you do that, as a possible GOP contender for 2016), others said Rand would 'follow the money', or votes, as it were.
Boy, were you guys right. On the Neil Cavuto show, or whatever it is called, I tuned in today because he had Rand Paul on @3:30pm. Not only did Rand denounce the entire Bergdahl deal, he said, if he were President, he would not Prisoner swap, under any circumstances. No deals. Ever.
Now here is where the head-scratching began. Neil tried to reel him back in by basically asking, 'Senator, you mean to tell me, you wouldn't swap POW's, and not even try to get American soldiers back home?' Rand thought about it, and basically amended his first response, citing a 'cessation' of war activity, as a possibility for doing so (isn't this what is going on?)
THEN, when asked if he would keep tabs on the 5 Talibans that were released (which Rand said he wouldn't release, under his Administration) Rand said, in a bumpersticker-worthy moment, that each one of them would have "A drone with his name on it".
!!!
Sorry, I think Rand Paul is the leading candidate for the GOP nomination, and one of the most interesting. I find this intriguing.
And as soon as I get a link or transcription to all of this I will update it.
re: ‘Getting worse by the hour’: FNC reports Bergdahl renounced US citizenship
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/3/14 at 3:14 pm to kingbob
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7:00pm Bergdahl is seen placing explosives in the 17th street and industrial canals in New Orleans.
8:00pm Berghdahl spotted with a leaf blower headed underground on the set of "The Seven-Year Itch"
re: Mannequin in Obama mask hung from Missouri bridge (liberals have done worse)
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/3/14 at 2:58 pm to constant cough
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Probably some democrat hung it in order to try and distract from all of Obama's scandals.
This is the more likely scenario. Because it is from constant cough. And it is what we have come to expect from a modern-day Paul Revere.
On meth.
re: This bergdahl thing is clearly part of broader negotiations.
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/3/14 at 2:05 pm to CptBengal
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This deserter was never listed as a POW.
We'll that is basically the point I guess. The Taliban can label this guy as a deserter, someone not engaged in active combat etc. By all accounts, a disillusioned soldier.
As the War ends, the Taliban could be expecting all of their detainees (people not charged with War crimes) back home. They could argue ( as you asserted) that Berghdahl is not a POW...here is the proof: he had no combat unis, no gun, just trying to blend in.
I think if that story had progressed THAT way, he would have never stepped on US soil again
re: This bergdahl thing is clearly part of broader negotiations.
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/3/14 at 12:46 pm to wilfont
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What rules are in play here exactly?
Once a War ends, basically all POW's must be set free. Whatever occurs on the battlefield, is left on the battlefield. And believe it or not, even though it's ok to kill each other on the battlefield, there are still 'War crimes', that you can be charged with that contraindicate your release. These guys aren't being tried with any war crimes
re: This bergdahl thing is clearly part of broader negotiations.
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/3/14 at 11:52 am to FT
A former Adviser to GWB said that these guys were detainees, and that we couldn't hold them going into 2015, based on Some 'end of war' rules.
He also said they couldn't have been tried in court for anything as they were detainees of War, unlike the 9/11 guys who can be tried in a Fed court because of crimes against the country.
I don't know. So much info coming out.
He also said they couldn't have been tried in court for anything as they were detainees of War, unlike the 9/11 guys who can be tried in a Fed court because of crimes against the country.
I don't know. So much info coming out.
re: Why no attempt to trade for the Marine in Mexico?
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/3/14 at 11:46 am to Tim
Trade for what? Enchiladas?
re: Video of Daddy Bergdahl and Obama
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/2/14 at 10:00 pm to monsterballads
Maybe they are pissed at American soldiers for being over there, and the Dad is pissed that his son is part of that group, and Obama is pissed they are still over there.
re: Video of Daddy Bergdahl and Obama
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/2/14 at 9:46 pm to yumahog
We'll, it's either that or get shot up/blown up by some Christian dudes
re: Video of Daddy Bergdahl and Obama
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/2/14 at 9:42 pm to constant cough
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Just a couple of muslim dudes
Yeah. Muslim dudes are pretty cool.
I saw a couple of Christian dudes the other day...
re: Video of Daddy Bergdahl and Obama
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/2/14 at 9:41 pm to tracytiger
Oh boy.
re: Many in intellegence community think Bergdahl was active collaborator w/ Taliban
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/2/14 at 7:31 pm to monsterballads
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it's pretty black and white
Frick you, u racist.
Wait. Wut?
re: I'm Guessing Rand and Ron Paul are with the Bergdahls
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/2/14 at 4:34 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
He said a few things about understanding the war, the afghan people, and why they were over there(the father). He mentioned how the people of Afghan are just as patriotic as us, want to be free, and not treated as subhuman.
The son also made comments to the effect basically expressing his frustration with the mission, and the purpose of being over there.
And it's true. A 10+ year war takes on an ugly life of its own after awhile. Soldiers forget what the cause is...are we freeing people, trying to overthrow a dictator, defending neighboring countries from a great danger etc. most are joining for the money, some excitement, and the few who are still their for noble reasons, and are still thinking and not just blindly following orders, go through this dilemma. It's easy to find yourself in an atmosphere of Meatheads versus Nerds, the military often purports that kind of atmosphere (see 'A Few Good Men')
Anyway, like I said, I have a feeling this story will flip in a few days, and the Paul's will get out in front of it. Why them? I've been keeping up with them a lot lately. I can't link it all, but they should be itching to speak on this.
The son also made comments to the effect basically expressing his frustration with the mission, and the purpose of being over there.
And it's true. A 10+ year war takes on an ugly life of its own after awhile. Soldiers forget what the cause is...are we freeing people, trying to overthrow a dictator, defending neighboring countries from a great danger etc. most are joining for the money, some excitement, and the few who are still their for noble reasons, and are still thinking and not just blindly following orders, go through this dilemma. It's easy to find yourself in an atmosphere of Meatheads versus Nerds, the military often purports that kind of atmosphere (see 'A Few Good Men')
Anyway, like I said, I have a feeling this story will flip in a few days, and the Paul's will get out in front of it. Why them? I've been keeping up with them a lot lately. I can't link it all, but they should be itching to speak on this.
re: I'm Guessing Rand and Ron Paul are with the Bergdahls
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/2/14 at 4:10 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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What would lead you to think that?
Specific comments the Father made, they align with, and are almost a blueprint of what Ron Paul has said in the past. And then there is this (just in): LINK
I'm reserving judgement myself. This Administration (as much as most here would like to think otherwise) is cunning and smart, not stupid.
I'm Guessing Rand and Ron Paul are with the Bergdahls
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/2/14 at 3:47 pm
For political reasons I would imagine they are going to stay really quiet on this one. But I think they approve of this swap, the viewpoints expressed by Bob Bergdahl, and won't have anything but praise for the Administration on this prison swap.
Anyone else got predictions on how possible presidential candidates and Libertarians will view this?
Anyone else got predictions on how possible presidential candidates and Libertarians will view this?
re: Should Obama be impeached over Berghdal?
Posted by HarveyDent on 6/2/14 at 1:40 pm to NHTIGER
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There is nothing more self-defeating than impeaching a man who has no chance of being convicted. No Republican should even utter the word in public between now and November 4th. Doing so would take Obamacare, the VA, Benghazi, the IRS, the NSA, etc., off the table for the 2014 elections. The Democrats would like nothing better than being given such a cause celebre before the elections.
You are on the right track, but allow me to highlight a trend here for you: Have you guys noticed that, whenever there is a 'scandal', another 'scandal' seems to pop up, taking the previous 'scandal' off the front pages?
I'll work in reverse here. A POW, apparently to most now (the media included), not worth the trouble rescuing. Now hearings are being called on to figure out why this deal was ok. How does T.Gowdy even put on a straight face, and investigate Benghazi with his chief complaint being 'this Administration does not care about the safety of its people abroad', or didn't provide enough security, when it just gave everything to get one of its own back?
I'm pretty sure this Administration is attempting to control the narrative now by manufacturing faux scandals or 'good stories'. The VA and the NSA also appear to be 'scandals' they have controlled to counter real problems.
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