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re: I’m being threatened to get the vaccine by my job
Posted on 7/22/21 at 11:46 am to Herooftheday
Posted on 7/22/21 at 11:46 am to Herooftheday
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Yea they can't say you quit if you didn't quit
I hear you but it is really semantics. Technically if they have a vaccination policy and you don't comply they would fire you. You are violating the policy.
Calling it a "voluntary quit" is a stretch and that is usually reserved for people who don't show up to work or who say "I won't do that type of work." or whatever.
I would be shocked if a claimant wouldn't get UI benefits in this case but who knows.
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Posted on 7/22/21 at 11:55 am to AndyCBR
Andy you are correct; however, you can tell them that the company has a mandatory vaccine policy and give them the chance to respond to that statement.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 12:00 pm to Chromdome35
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Andy you are correct; however, you can tell them that the company has a mandatory vaccine policy and give them the chance to respond to that statement.
This is not really that complicated.
Mandatory vaccine policy is part of the stack of documents you sign (or don't) as part of the pre-hie paperwork.
There are lots of them; social media policy, non-compete agreement, corporate privacy, etc.
You have a chance to review and sign (or not) all of them as part of the acceptance of the job offer.
But you can't use COVID vaccination status as a tool to weed out applicants in the application process. It's discriminatory.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 12:02 pm to Pookers
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I don't see how this could possibly be legal.
I'm not even concerned about legality. What a moronic management decision from a productivity standpoint
Posted on 7/22/21 at 12:02 pm to AndyCBR
That is correct
Posted on 7/22/21 at 12:03 pm to AndyCBR
quote:Even if you have a disclaimer saying that you're not required to answer?
I don't think it is legal to ask that question as part of a job application.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 12:05 pm to wutangfinancial
There is also the loss of productivity to be considered if a COVID positive person infects a bunch in a facility and they all have to go home.
Lose one person vs many people... it's not that horrible of a decision from that perspective. Of course, the impact is dependant on the particular situation and person.
Lose one person vs many people... it's not that horrible of a decision from that perspective. Of course, the impact is dependant on the particular situation and person.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 12:06 pm to coachcrisp
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Even if you have a disclaimer saying that you're not required to answer?
No I don't believe so, it is discriminatory.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 12:10 pm to coachcrisp
We hire thousands of people every month, we can't ask for vaccination status or make hiring decisions based on vaccination status.
What we do is tell them if the customer they will be working for has a mandatory vaccination policy. Once they are onboarded, then they have to sign an acknowledgment of the policy and are subject to termination if they break it.
It's extremely inefficient, of course, we'd rather weed out those who aren't before we go through all the trouble to onboard them just to end up terminating them. But the law is the law and we have to follow it.
What we do is tell them if the customer they will be working for has a mandatory vaccination policy. Once they are onboarded, then they have to sign an acknowledgment of the policy and are subject to termination if they break it.
It's extremely inefficient, of course, we'd rather weed out those who aren't before we go through all the trouble to onboard them just to end up terminating them. But the law is the law and we have to follow it.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 12:14 pm to Chromdome35
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There is also the loss of productivity to be considered if a COVID positive person infects a bunch in a facility and they all have to go home.
Lose one person vs many people... it's not that horrible of a decision from that perspective. Of course, the impact is dependant on the particular situation and person.
I've never bought into this one. Who knows where, or how, or which person any employee came into contact with on or off the company property actually transmitted the disease?
Are we going to start issuing ankle monitors and requiring contact tracing logs for hours you are outside of work?
This is more of the Draconian tactics people (including employers) are using to justify this nonsense.
It's a damn slippery slope and we're heading down it at full speed.
The Nazis had a phrase for things they used to do, "It's for your safety."
Under that reasoning, anything is allowed.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 12:16 pm to AndyCBR
I agree 100%
I'm so sick of COVID this and COVID that it makes me want to draw a circle on my whiteboard that says "bang head here" then spend every minute I have to deal with COVID issues doing just that.
I'm so sick of COVID this and COVID that it makes me want to draw a circle on my whiteboard that says "bang head here" then spend every minute I have to deal with COVID issues doing just that.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 12:17 pm to AndyCBR
The vaccine doesn't prevent the transmission of the virus. Doesn't even lower the severity after transmission. You wouldn't know if it was a vaccinated person or not. You can't just ignore these bits of information.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 12:18 pm to Chromdome35
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We hire thousands of people every month, we can't ask for vaccination status or make hiring decisions based on vaccination status.
What we do is tell them if the customer they will be working for has a mandatory vaccination policy. Once they are onboarded, then they have to sign an acknowledgment of the policy and are subject to termination if they break it.
It's extremely inefficient, of course, we'd rather weed out those who aren't before we go through all the trouble to onboard them just to end up terminating them. But the law is the law and we have to follow it.
Don't take this personally but this is absolutely disgusting corporate behavior that is being allowed in this country.
Lawful or not.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 12:22 pm to AndyCBR
I don't take it personally at all, I don't make the rules, I just have to live by them and make sure that everyone in my domain of control does so as well.
I'm not sure I understand what part of my statement was disgusting corporate behavior. We don't ask or base hiring decisions on vaccine status, but if a customer has a mandatory vaccine policy, we can't send our unvaccinated employees to that customer. We do everything we can to find something for that employee to do so we don't have to term them.
Its a methodology that costs us money, we aren't saving any money with this.
I'm in no way trying to argue with you, I've enjoyed the conversation. Help me understand why you say this is disgusting?
I'm not sure I understand what part of my statement was disgusting corporate behavior. We don't ask or base hiring decisions on vaccine status, but if a customer has a mandatory vaccine policy, we can't send our unvaccinated employees to that customer. We do everything we can to find something for that employee to do so we don't have to term them.
Its a methodology that costs us money, we aren't saving any money with this.
I'm in no way trying to argue with you, I've enjoyed the conversation. Help me understand why you say this is disgusting?
Posted on 7/22/21 at 12:24 pm to Herooftheday
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The vaccine doesn't prevent the transmission of the virus. Doesn't even lower the severity after transmission. You wouldn't know if it was a vaccinated person or not. You can't just ignore these bits of information.
That's how you know it's just a compliance and control mechanism...
It would be different if it...worked
Posted on 7/22/21 at 12:26 pm to Chromdome35
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Help me understand why you say this is disgusting?
That corporations (others, not yours) are enforcing compliance with an unapproved medical procedure.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 12:31 pm to Chromdome35
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I'm in no way trying to argue with you, I've enjoyed the conversation. Help me understand why you say this is disgusting?
Because this country was founded on liberty and it is becoming much less free every time we allow things like this to go on. It always starts out as a little thing. And then we say, "it's all legal", but it is clearly a loss of freedom.
That disgusts me, and it should also disgust any person who believes what our country was founded on.
No hard feelings and I have enjoyed the dialogue also and learned a few things along the way.
Glad I am not in your business as I couldn't stomach being part of the machine that HR has become.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 12:31 pm to IceTiger
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That corporations (others, not yours) are enforcing compliance with an unapproved medical procedure
To be fair, yours is doing it be proxy by working with the nazzies.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 12:41 pm to DhanTigers212
Hell, If I was you I'd quit today. Show him who has the biggest balls.
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