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re: I'll never understand how the black population can support Democrats

Posted on 8/27/24 at 1:31 pm to
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52437 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 1:31 pm to
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after knowing Democrats were in favor of slavery, creators of the KKK, opposed civil rights

You were doing fine until the last one. It was the Democratic party that led the fight for civil rights for blacks.
Posted by Ostrich
Alexandria, VA
Member since Nov 2011
10169 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 1:33 pm to
Goldwater also opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

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So why don't you explain to me Gore, Byrd, Fulbright, and the people that looked up to them and how there was a switch somehow.



No doubt that many older men in the mid-20th century were racist, including LBJ. The deep south clearly flips after the CRA , Eisenhauer had nothing to do with it.

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Feel free to factcheck. You know it's right.


I like how you linked a conservative commentary op-ed as fact.
This post was edited on 8/27/24 at 1:38 pm
Posted by Dairy Sanders
Member since Apr 2022
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Posted on 8/27/24 at 1:38 pm to
A lot of people, regardless of race, want to be on a plantation because they don’t know what to do with freedom because they have limited cognitive ability.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57012 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 1:43 pm to
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Goldwater also opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964.



He did. He previously supported 2 other versions of the civil rights act, but opposed the 1964 CRA because he stated it was unconstitutional.

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The deep south clearly flips after the CRA ,


It clearly does not. You can't prove that it did. And as i stated, the DEEP SOUTH didn't elect their first Republican governors until the 90's. Not the 60s. And the Republican flip began in the 50's during Eisenhower. I posted all of this yet you are continuing with the propaganda and ignoring the facts. Why?

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Even before that, though, modern-day Democrats point to the 1964 presidential campaign of Republican Barry Goldwater, who refused to back the 1964 Civil Rights Act as proof that the GOP was actively courting racist southern voters. After all, they argue, Goldwater only won six states--his home state of Arizona and five states in the deep south. His "States' Rights" platform had to be code for a racist return to a segregated society, right?

Hardly. Goldwater was actually very supportive of civil rights for black Americans, voting for the 1957 and 1960 Civil Rights Acts and even helping to found Arizona's chapter of the NAACP. His opposition to the 1964 Act was not at all rooted in racism, but rather in a belief that it allowed the federal government to infringe on state sovereignty.

The Lyndon B. Johnson campaign pounced on Goldwater's position and, during the height of the 1964 campaign, ran an ad titled "Confessions of a Republican," which rather nonsensically tied Goldwater to the Ku Klux Klan (which, remember, was a Democratic organization).


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I like how you linked a conservative commentary op-ed as fact.


Please explain what is false in that article.

Again, YOU CAN'T! Stop being a hack and just admit that you fell for the democrat propaganda.

More facts you will ignore

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With the southerner Johnson out of the race and Minnesota native Hubert Humphrey as his opponent, Nixon saw an opportunity to win southern states that Goldwater had, not through racism, but through aggressive campaigning in an area of the country Republicans had previously written off.

Yet it didn't work. For all of Nixon's supposed appeals to southern racists (who still voted for Democrats in Senate and House races that same year), he lost almost all of the south to a Democrat--George Wallace, who ran on the American Independent ticket and won five states and 46 electoral votes.
This post was edited on 8/27/24 at 1:47 pm
Posted by Giantkiller
the internet.
Member since Sep 2007
24625 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 1:44 pm to
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I'll never understand how the black population can support Democrats



It's because all the grifters are already aligned there. If you can pay off the race hustlers to come to your side, then you'll get the black vote. It really is as simple as that.
Posted by WaltWhite504
Member since Sep 2021
2108 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 1:45 pm to
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Al Gore Sr.
Robert Byrd - Clinton (both Clintons) and Biden's mentor
William Fulbright - Clinton's Mentor



Al Gore Sr voted as his constituents wanted him to but then lost his seat in 1970 to Bill Brock (an ex-Democrat who fled the party because of its civil rights support). Brock campaign slogan was 'Gore is a liberal'.



Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
20586 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 1:49 pm to
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It was the Democratic party that led the fight for civil rights for blacks.
Did they?

If every democrat in the house had voted for it, it passes easily. 63% of Democrats voted for it. Republicans? 80%

Democrats outnumbered Republicans 244-171

Looks like Republicans cared a lot more about it

Posted by Gusoline
Jacksonville, NC
Member since Dec 2013
10524 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 1:52 pm to
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how the black population can support Democrats


They don't vote. Their ballots are cast for them.

if you tried to count number of people who show vs how many ballots were counted, you'd be arrested for " interfering with democracy"
Posted by Ostrich
Alexandria, VA
Member since Nov 2011
10169 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 1:56 pm to
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It clearly does not. You can't prove that it did. And as i stated, the DEEP SOUTH didn't elect their first governors until the 90's. Not the 60s. And the Republican flip began in the 50's during Eisenhower. I posted all of this yet you are continuing with the propaganda and ignoring the facts. Why?



Yes, it does flip. Look at the electoral maps I linked. Clearly the electoral voting population flipped after CRA. Getting entrenched politicians out of office took longer, but it happened nonetheless.

I think you're conflating what lifelong Democrat politicians who opposed CRA but stayed in their parties in order to stay in office versus a voting population who flipped from Dem to GOP as soon as their party abandoned them on opposing civil rights.
Posted by WaltWhite504
Member since Sep 2021
2108 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 1:57 pm to
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So why don't you explain to me Gore, Byrd, Fulbright, and the people that looked up to them and how there was a switch somehow.


It was a well documented political campaign known by historians as the Southern Strategy

The Southern Strategy is traditionally understood as a Goldwater and Nixon-era effort by the Republican Party to win over disaffected white voters in the Democratic stronghold of the American South. To realign these voters with the GOP, the party abandoned its past support for civil rights and used racially coded language to capitalize on southern white racial angst. However, that decision was but one in a series of decisions the GOP made not just on race, but on feminism and religion as well.

In the wake of Second-Wave Feminism, the GOP dropped the Equal Rights Amendment from its platform and promoted traditional gender roles in an effort to appeal to anti-feminist white southerners, particularly women. And when the leadership of the Southern Baptist Convention became increasingly fundamentalist and politically active, the GOP tied its fate to the Christian Right. All three of those decisions were necessary for the South to turn from blue to red.

To make inroads in the South, GOP politicians not only had to take these positions, but they also had to sell them with a southern "accent." Republicans embodied southern white culture by emphasizing an "us vs. them" outlook, preaching absolutes, accusing the media of bias, prioritizing identity over the economy, encouraging defensiveness, and championing a politics of retribution. In doing so, the GOP nationalized southern white identity, rebranded itself to the country at large, and fundamentally altered the vision and tone of American politics.

This post was edited on 8/27/24 at 1:59 pm
Posted by WaltWhite504
Member since Sep 2021
2108 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 2:07 pm to
You can see the electoral map of the LBJ vs Goldwater election in 64

Goldwater only won his home state of Arizona and the southern states which opposed the civil rights act. This is the year before blacks could vote. Goldwater had promised that if he won, he would kill the voters right act.



FYI - this is the year i was born. Some say blacks got equality a long time ago but, i was born when blacks were not guaranteed the right to vote and i aint that old.
This post was edited on 8/27/24 at 2:22 pm
Posted by winkchance
St. George, LA
Member since Jul 2016
6165 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 2:16 pm to
Same way the big city Irish Catholics have and still do. IC have been f-ed by Irish Politicians and used. The minute they walk away they get ostracized.

They swallow everything the unions have to shove in them and they take like a good useful idiot.
Vast majority of my relatives think they have it so good because they have "connections." they just can't ever think for themselves or disagree because they can wander too far from the teat. Hell, most of them don't have the courage to leave the 6 block area where they were born.
Posted by grich31
Youngsville, La
Member since May 2008
2009 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 2:20 pm to
Because Dems are party of inclusion/diversity and not like GOP who is party of inclusion/diversity only when they want to say some of my best friends are black/brown and when it benefits them to have black/brown folks as tokens to say look black/brown people support our cause, just my opinion
Posted by CreoleTigerEsq
Noneya
Member since Nov 2007
861 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 2:20 pm to
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Looks like Republicans cared a lot more about it


0.63 x 244 = 153.72 (154) Democrats
0.80 x 171 = 136.8 (137) Republicans

So, while a higher percentage of Republicans supported the Civil Rights Act of 1964, there was a higher number (hard number) of Democrats that supported it.
Posted by CreoleTigerEsq
Noneya
Member since Nov 2007
861 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 2:22 pm to
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To realign these voters with the GOP, the party abandoned its past support for civil rights and used racially coded language to capitalize on southern white racial angst.


Yep. There was a reason why Reagan launched his campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21876 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 2:25 pm to
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ep. There was a reason why Reagan launched his campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi.

Yes, and it also explain why Al Gore jr was a Republican.
Posted by TigerBaitOohHaHa
Member since Jan 2023
1776 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 2:29 pm to
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The parties flipped after all that


bullshite... the story goes like this: Democrats so angry at the signing of the Civil Rights Act all decided to become Republican. This makes ZERO sense considering a greater percentage of Republicans voted FOR the civil rights act than Democrats. As a matter of fact the Democrats tried to filibuster.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21876 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 2:37 pm to
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So, while a higher percentage of Republicans supported the Civil Rights Act of 1964, there was a higher number (hard number) of Democrats that supported it.

Which is the same thing as saying Republicans were more supportive of the Civil Rights Act than Dems, right?
Posted by WaltWhite504
Member since Sep 2021
2108 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 2:39 pm to
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Yep. There was a reason why Reagan launched his campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi.



Reagan pushed the myth of 'welfare fraud' by blacks in the south and his voters loved it. Much like voter fraud today, there was zero proof to substantiate the claim, but the idea that people of color were defrauding a system, Reagan hinted, by and for white people was political gold.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21876 posts
Posted on 8/27/24 at 2:39 pm to
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Goldwater had promised that if he won, he would kill the voters right act.

To be clear about Goldwater - he voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and the 24th amendment to the constitution. He was absent for the Civil Rights Act of 1960, but would have voted for it if present.

His opposition to the 1964 Voter Rights Act was he believed it granted too much power to the federal government over private business.
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