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re: If you believe in 1 person 1 vote

Posted on 3/20/19 at 8:54 pm to
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 3/20/19 at 8:54 pm to
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you are violating a major principle of a democracy.


We aren't a democracy.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
42433 posts
Posted on 3/20/19 at 8:59 pm to
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If you say it's because of population then you agree with the electoral college.


Yes, Representatives in the House are based on population, as called for in Article I of the Constitution.

Yes, electors in the Electoral College are numbered the same as number of members of Congress a state has.

Both of those are outlined in the Constitution, and so I believe in them.

I think your point is that if one does not believe in an Electoral College based on population, one cannot believe in House seats being delegated based on population. One cannot believe in electing a person to represent each district if one does not believe in electing electors for the Electoral College. Is that the gist of it?
This post was edited on 3/20/19 at 9:04 pm
Posted by CountOnMe15
Member since Sep 2018
44 posts
Posted on 3/20/19 at 9:07 pm to
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We aren't a democracy.


Ok. So what do you call the way we elect mayors, governors, legislators, etc. across the country?
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 3/20/19 at 9:15 pm to
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Why should the world series be won by the baseball team that won the most games when the losing team actually scored more runs in the series?


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You're trying to compare a series of games to a 1 "game" election.


Last I checked you had to win 51 individual games to be elected president, no matter what your total runs were.
This post was edited on 3/20/19 at 9:18 pm
Posted by CountOnMe15
Member since Sep 2018
44 posts
Posted on 3/20/19 at 9:17 pm to
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Last I checked you had to win 50 individual games to be elected president, no matter what your total runs were.


Winning people, not states, is much more fair and logical.
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
21888 posts
Posted on 3/20/19 at 9:17 pm to
Pickle Sandwiches
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
63511 posts
Posted on 3/20/19 at 9:18 pm to
Huh?
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 3/20/19 at 9:23 pm to
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Last I checked you had to win 51 individual games to be elected president, no matter what your total runs were.


How so?
Posted by Muleriderhog
NYC
Member since Jan 2015
3116 posts
Posted on 3/20/19 at 9:24 pm to
What in the frick are you talking about?
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 3/20/19 at 9:30 pm to
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quote:

We aren't a democracy.
Ok. So what do you call the way we elect mayors, governors, legislators, etc. across the country?
He is one of those people who cannot grasp that “democracy” and “direct democracy” are not synonyms..
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140464 posts
Posted on 3/20/19 at 9:32 pm to
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Winning people, not states, is much more fair and logical.


Now that your queen lost you feel this way.
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
12934 posts
Posted on 3/20/19 at 9:35 pm to
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Ok. So what do you call the way we elect mayors, governors, legislators, etc. across the country?





A representative democracy within a federal constitutional republic with separation of powers.

We aren't a direct democracy like you think we are.

Using your logic we should just be able to have a popular vote on constitutional rights. If 51% of the people think you shouldn't have free speech then it should be so, right?
Posted by Hooligan's Ghost
Member since Jul 2013
5189 posts
Posted on 3/20/19 at 9:41 pm to
I might would be ok with a strict democratic vote if liberal/Democrats would agree to deport every single illegal alien in the country

deal?
This post was edited on 3/20/19 at 9:52 pm
Posted by CountOnMe15
Member since Sep 2018
44 posts
Posted on 3/20/19 at 9:43 pm to
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Using your logic we should just be able to have a popular vote on constitutional rights. If 51% of the people think you shouldn't have free speech then it should be so, right?


Absolutely not. We have the courts to settle constitutional issues. I like for the people to decide who wins elections.

It really isn’t that complicated.
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
12934 posts
Posted on 3/20/19 at 9:44 pm to
Courts don't amend the constitution, states do.

BTW, the supreme court isn't seated by popular vote either.
This post was edited on 3/20/19 at 9:47 pm
Posted by CountOnMe15
Member since Sep 2018
44 posts
Posted on 3/20/19 at 9:48 pm to
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Courts don't amend the constitution, states do.


I know that. You’re example of getting rid of free speech as stupid.
Posted by CountOnMe15
Member since Sep 2018
44 posts
Posted on 3/20/19 at 9:50 pm to
BTW, the supreme court isn't seated by popular vote either.

I also know that which is why I said congressmen, governors, etc in the previous posts.
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
14198 posts
Posted on 3/20/19 at 9:51 pm to
Who cares what anyone believes?

We have a Constitution that dictates how all this will work. What we want or don’t want is irrelevant.
This post was edited on 3/20/19 at 9:52 pm
Posted by CountOnMe15
Member since Sep 2018
44 posts
Posted on 3/20/19 at 9:53 pm to
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Who cares what anyone wants? We have a Constitution that dictates how all this will work. What we want or don’t want is irrelevant.


There were many things the Founding Fathers either got wrong or didn’t address, which is why we can amend the Constitution.
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
12934 posts
Posted on 3/20/19 at 9:53 pm to
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You’re example of getting rid of free speech as stupid.






No it's not.

Constitutional amendments are an example of the separation of powers just like the EC and USSC.

You have a direct vote. It's called the United States house of representatives.
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