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re: If you believe in 1 person 1 vote
Posted on 3/20/19 at 9:57 pm to thebigmuffaletta
Posted on 3/20/19 at 9:57 pm to thebigmuffaletta
Members of the House voting for me would be an indirect vote. Which I’m great with.
But when we vote for the president, everyone’s vote show carry equal weight, that is all that I’m saying.
But when we vote for the president, everyone’s vote show carry equal weight, that is all that I’m saying.
This post was edited on 3/20/19 at 10:00 pm
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Posted on 3/20/19 at 9:59 pm to SquatchDawg
In the 1960 World Series, the Yankees outscored the Pirates 55-27. The trophy is in Pittsburgh. 
Also, if enough 2016 Hillary voters moved to California before 2020, California and a handful of other rogue states could conceivably give all the other states their marching orders if you support the popular vote mindset. Get it now?? It's called "Tyranny".
Explainer video: LINK Also, the Dems are totally full of shite on this subject.
Also, if enough 2016 Hillary voters moved to California before 2020, California and a handful of other rogue states could conceivably give all the other states their marching orders if you support the popular vote mindset. Get it now?? It's called "Tyranny".
Explainer video: LINK Also, the Dems are totally full of shite on this subject.
This post was edited on 3/20/19 at 10:04 pm
Posted on 3/20/19 at 10:00 pm to thebigmuffaletta
Try again.
Big fail.
Total
Big fail.
Total
Posted on 3/20/19 at 10:54 pm to CountOnMe15
Do we even have the means to accurately count 140 million or so votes in a Presidental election? Think about Florida in 2000, and then multiply that by more than 20.
One unintended advantage of using electors is that the exact vote totals in most states don't really matter...one candidate gets over 52% of the vote and there is little reason to question the exact totals. But imagine a national election with both candidates having over 70 million votes, and the difference being less than 1% (1.4 million votes). Recounts and allegations of fraud would be out of control.
One unintended advantage of using electors is that the exact vote totals in most states don't really matter...one candidate gets over 52% of the vote and there is little reason to question the exact totals. But imagine a national election with both candidates having over 70 million votes, and the difference being less than 1% (1.4 million votes). Recounts and allegations of fraud would be out of control.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 10:57 pm to Dday63
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Message If you believe in 1 person 1 vote by Dday63 Do we even have the means to accurately count 140 million or so votes in a Presidental election? Think about Florida in 2000, and then multiply that by more than 20. One unintended advantage of using electors is that the exact vote totals in most states don't really matter...one candidate gets over 52% of the vote and there is little reason to question the exact totals. But imagine a national election with both candidates having over 70 million votes, and the difference being less than 1% (1.4 million votes). Recounts and allegations of fraud would be out of control.
Seems like an excuse to keep the status quo. We are a smart nation. I think we could figure it out. Other nations seem to have figured it out.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 11:18 pm to CountOnMe15
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Seems like an excuse to keep the status quo. We are a smart nation. I think we could figure it out. Other nations seem to have figured it out.
which country has it figured out?
Posted on 3/20/19 at 11:20 pm to thebigmuffaletta
Posted on 3/20/19 at 11:27 pm to thebigmuffaletta
Why can't Goofy get the respect like Mickey? I mean look at Cinderella and Sleeping beauty for instance, they wish they were Belle. If you agree, then you hate pickles.
Posted on 3/20/19 at 11:38 pm to thebigmuffaletta
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The electoral college is an allocation of votes based on a state's population, as opposed to a popular vote. Representation in the House is based on the same thing. If you're against the electoral college it follows logically that you would be against a state having any more than one vote in Congress.
Okay, let's do some junior high school civics here.
Electoral votes are allocated based on congressional representation. That's House and Senate representation. You are correct that House seats are based on population. But the Senate is two seats per state with no consideration for pooulation. So that +2 tilts the Electoral College ever so slightly towards the rural states at the expense of the metro areas.
CLIFFS: The OP's point is 100% arse backwards.
Posted on 3/21/19 at 12:03 am to tigerpawl
quote:I'm a strict constructionist, and the constitution strictly provides that state legislatures have the authority to determine how their state's electors are to be selected.
California and a handful of other rogue states could conceivably give all the other states their marching orders if you support the popular vote mindset. Get it now?? It's called "Tyranny".
Are you trying to put some sort of modern spin on the clear meaning of the constitution to suit your own purposes.
Gosh, I hope you can't find enough liberal, judicial activist judges, who will go along with you on this.
Posted on 3/21/19 at 12:05 am to CountOnMe15
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If you believe in 1 person 1 vote
Members of the House voting for me would be an indirect vote. Which I’m great with.
But when we vote for the president, everyone’s vote show carry equal weight, that is all that I’m saying.
Except everyone’s vote wouldn’t carry the same weight, not even close. Candidates would spend 95% of their time in fewer than ten major cities mainly on the coasts. Forget people or states having equal representation, your talking about the entire countries vote and entire election campaigns boiling down to major population cities in a handful of states. Candidates would literally ignore 42-43 states completely, almost like they didn’t exist. Which is the precise scenario the founders wanted to prevent.
This post was edited on 3/21/19 at 12:08 am
Posted on 3/21/19 at 12:11 am to bigbowe80
quote:It's not like they're really traveling the circuit now.
Candidates would spend 95% of their time in fewer than ten major cities mainly on the coasts.
Unless you live in Iowa, New Hampshire, or a handful of swing states, you're watching most of it on cable.
This post was edited on 3/21/19 at 12:13 am
Posted on 3/21/19 at 1:09 am to Dale51
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How so?
I was trying to say there were 51 different games (Washington DC has 3 EC votes), the candidate obviously doesn't need to win them all just enough to get 270, but they are all important since almost any state could determine the outcome of the election.
Posted on 3/21/19 at 1:22 am to CountOnMe15
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Winning people, not states, is much more fair and logical.
The founding fathers never intended for individuals to elect the president, for a multitude of valid reasons they wanted the states to hold that power.
Posted on 3/21/19 at 6:58 am to thebigmuffaletta
Senate represents "The state"
Rep represents "population"
Rep represents "population"
Posted on 3/21/19 at 7:04 am to CountOnMe15
quote:Democracy fricking sucks. So we should do everything we can to delegitimizatize it.
Yet, when you delegitimize votes from many parts of the country then you are violating a major principle of a democracy.
Posted on 3/21/19 at 7:39 am to CountOnMe15
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Other nations seem to have figured it out.
I'm not sure if there is a single free country that has over 200 million eligible voters directly electing a single seat.
India has the world's largest election, but they have multiple phases and multiple parties. They also don't have the means to challenge the results.
I'm not saying this is a reason to maintain the status quo - I don't care if we have the EC or not - I'm just saying the people asking for change may need to think this through.
Posted on 3/21/19 at 7:42 am to EA6B
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The founding fathers never intended for individuals to elect the president, for a multitude of valid reasons they wanted the states to hold that power.
Posted on 3/21/19 at 7:44 am to EA6B
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The founding fathers never intended for individuals to elect the president, for a multitude of valid reasons they wanted the states to hold that power.
The founding fathers also wanted to protect slavery and keep women from voting so...their policies weren’t perfect.
Posted on 3/21/19 at 7:45 am to Dday63
America has 270 Trillion dollars in assets
The only reason Hillary barely won the popular vote was due the fact poor people vote Democrat in a very unhealthy rate...like nearly 90%
so the more poor people we pile in big cities, the more layup votes Democrats get in the hip pocket...
Poor people know the least about our 12 Trillion dollar economy and what makes it tick
they don't know about jobs or job creation...they know about big government....
Plus, did you know 10 million of the 40 million residents in California were not born in the united states?
California gets the most EC votes over any other state
it's a massive problem
The only reason Hillary barely won the popular vote was due the fact poor people vote Democrat in a very unhealthy rate...like nearly 90%
so the more poor people we pile in big cities, the more layup votes Democrats get in the hip pocket...
Poor people know the least about our 12 Trillion dollar economy and what makes it tick
they don't know about jobs or job creation...they know about big government....
Plus, did you know 10 million of the 40 million residents in California were not born in the united states?
California gets the most EC votes over any other state
it's a massive problem
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