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re: If we cover the desert in solar panels, what happens to all the reflected sunlight?

Posted on 6/21/17 at 1:32 pm to
Posted by skiptumahloo
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Posted on 6/21/17 at 1:32 pm to
Any time you try to store energy or use that you previously stored, some of it will be wasted as heat. This is true of refining and the burning fossil fuels and also of storing and then using solar power.

However, this wasted energy as heat IS NOT the primary driver of anthropogenic global warming.

When a photon from the sun interacts with a solar panel, some of the energy is stored and some goes to thermal energy. Similarly, when you combust a hydrocarbon in your car's engine, hydrocarbon molecules and O2 molecules from the air react and produce H2O and CO2 molecules plus energy. Some of that energy goes to moving your car, charging your battery, etc, and some is wasted as heat.

But in both cases, that energy that's wasted as heat is not enough to drive global warming. The thing that causes global warming is that CO2 molecule that was produced. That molecule enters the atmosphere where it will remain for decades trapping thermal energy radiated from the earth and re-emitting it.

The energy wasted as heat from the initial reaction, both in the case of solar and hydrocarbon power, was a one time thing. However, only in the hydrocarbon case did we produce a molecule of greenhouse gas (CO2 in this case) that will continue trapping heat and re-emitting it back toward earth for decades and decades.

This was a good question, and the answers illustrates well why some forms of energy production cause anthropogenic global warming while others have a negligible impact. I hope you and the others here will read the answer with an open mind.
Posted by Machine
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Posted on 6/21/17 at 1:34 pm to
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Saw an obscure article in Popular Science or Mechanics at least a decade ago


its a shame science isn't constantly evolving
Posted by BlackHelicopterPilot
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Posted on 6/21/17 at 1:36 pm to
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Baw,



Posted by Ace Midnight
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Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 6/21/17 at 1:38 pm to
Fine, I fixed it, Romneygro.
Posted by SoulGlo
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Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 6/21/17 at 1:40 pm to
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The environmental impact of mining the rare earth materials used in making your hybrids and battery powered vehicles is way more damaging


There was also a recent Swiss(Swede?) that showed the production of the Tesla battery produces as much CO2 as driving a v8 for EIGHT YEARS. That doesn't even include the CO2 used to charge it.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 6/21/17 at 1:41 pm to
All that reflected energy will act like a jet engine and push the earth out of its natural orbit around the sun.

It will kill us all.

Posted by asurob1
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Posted on 6/21/17 at 1:45 pm to
uh what?
Posted by SoulGlo
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Posted on 6/21/17 at 1:50 pm to
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its a shame science isn't constantly evolving


What's more recent, a decade old article or a 40 year old article that you still cling to like a religion?
Posted by eng08
Member since Jan 2013
5997 posts
Posted on 6/21/17 at 1:57 pm to
Ivanpah in CA is scorching birds

LINK - LA times article




This post was edited on 6/21/17 at 1:58 pm
Posted by Numberwang
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Posted on 6/21/17 at 2:00 pm to
Don't ask questions. It might kill The Narrative.
Posted by Boudin
Lafayette
Member since Oct 2006
10133 posts
Posted on 6/21/17 at 2:08 pm to
If solar panels were a real solution to this hypothetical climate change, and not just about government money, they'd be working on getting them in space.

The lack of effort put towards real advancement/innovation is awfully telling. It is not the threat they claim.. and should not be considered such until there's a dedication comparable to the space race, which was treated as "life or death".
Posted by narddogg81
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Posted on 6/21/17 at 2:13 pm to
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its a shame science isn't constantly evolving
wow, they've learned how to bypass the laws of thermodynamics in the last decade? Pretty impressive
Posted by weagle99
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Posted on 6/21/17 at 8:51 pm to
Night crew
Posted by DTRooster
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Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:31 pm to
It melts the sun and we all freeze
Posted by jcaz
Laffy
Member since Aug 2014
18787 posts
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:35 pm to

Some people just don't get it. Mother Nature will adjust and life will go on.
It'll be a shame if all these carbon tax laws go into effect just to have a meteor wipe all all the world's beachfront.

But it'll be Republicans fault for the meteor as well cause Republicans are racists and meteors are oppressed or something.
Posted by Dick Leverage
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Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 6/21/17 at 10:34 pm to
During the typical cycle, the solar rays bounce off of the earth and return to the sun to be recycled into new energy. This would spell the end of the sun eventually because the Rays will be trapped on earth. Then the earth will turn into the sun and the moon into the earth. The new earth will have no moon.
Posted by larry289
Holiday Island, AR
Member since Nov 2009
3858 posts
Posted on 6/21/17 at 10:57 pm to
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During the typical cycle, the solar rays bounce off of the earth and return to the sun to be recycled into new energy. This would spell the end of the sun eventually because the Rays will be trapped on earth. Then the earth will turn into the sun and the moon into the earth. The new earth will have no moon.

I just read an article on this moonbeam theory, very interesting indeed.
Posted by CptRusty
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 6/21/17 at 11:03 pm to
What if we like...just powered a bunch of refrigerators and left the doors open

Posted by Stingray
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Posted on 6/21/17 at 11:16 pm to
I made this thread a few months ago.


Iosh called me dumb.
Posted by CptRusty
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 6/21/17 at 11:20 pm to
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The energy wasted as heat from the initial reaction, both in the case of solar and hydrocarbon power, was a one time thing. However, only in the hydrocarbon case did we produce a molecule of greenhouse gas (CO2 in this case) that will continue trapping heat and re-emitting it back toward earth for decades and decades


Is there a saturation limit beyond which additional CO2 does not reflect any more energy? If so, what is it?


Ah frick it I'll just post it:

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