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re: If we cover the desert in solar panels, what happens to all the reflected sunlight?
Posted on 6/21/17 at 1:32 pm to weagle99
Posted on 6/21/17 at 1:32 pm to weagle99
Any time you try to store energy or use that you previously stored, some of it will be wasted as heat. This is true of refining and the burning fossil fuels and also of storing and then using solar power.
However, this wasted energy as heat IS NOT the primary driver of anthropogenic global warming.
When a photon from the sun interacts with a solar panel, some of the energy is stored and some goes to thermal energy. Similarly, when you combust a hydrocarbon in your car's engine, hydrocarbon molecules and O2 molecules from the air react and produce H2O and CO2 molecules plus energy. Some of that energy goes to moving your car, charging your battery, etc, and some is wasted as heat.
But in both cases, that energy that's wasted as heat is not enough to drive global warming. The thing that causes global warming is that CO2 molecule that was produced. That molecule enters the atmosphere where it will remain for decades trapping thermal energy radiated from the earth and re-emitting it.
The energy wasted as heat from the initial reaction, both in the case of solar and hydrocarbon power, was a one time thing. However, only in the hydrocarbon case did we produce a molecule of greenhouse gas (CO2 in this case) that will continue trapping heat and re-emitting it back toward earth for decades and decades.
This was a good question, and the answers illustrates well why some forms of energy production cause anthropogenic global warming while others have a negligible impact. I hope you and the others here will read the answer with an open mind.
However, this wasted energy as heat IS NOT the primary driver of anthropogenic global warming.
When a photon from the sun interacts with a solar panel, some of the energy is stored and some goes to thermal energy. Similarly, when you combust a hydrocarbon in your car's engine, hydrocarbon molecules and O2 molecules from the air react and produce H2O and CO2 molecules plus energy. Some of that energy goes to moving your car, charging your battery, etc, and some is wasted as heat.
But in both cases, that energy that's wasted as heat is not enough to drive global warming. The thing that causes global warming is that CO2 molecule that was produced. That molecule enters the atmosphere where it will remain for decades trapping thermal energy radiated from the earth and re-emitting it.
The energy wasted as heat from the initial reaction, both in the case of solar and hydrocarbon power, was a one time thing. However, only in the hydrocarbon case did we produce a molecule of greenhouse gas (CO2 in this case) that will continue trapping heat and re-emitting it back toward earth for decades and decades.
This was a good question, and the answers illustrates well why some forms of energy production cause anthropogenic global warming while others have a negligible impact. I hope you and the others here will read the answer with an open mind.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 1:34 pm to SoulGlo
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Saw an obscure article in Popular Science or Mechanics at least a decade ago
its a shame science isn't constantly evolving
Posted on 6/21/17 at 1:38 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
Fine, I fixed it, Romneygro.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 1:40 pm to Loserman
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The environmental impact of mining the rare earth materials used in making your hybrids and battery powered vehicles is way more damaging
There was also a recent Swiss(Swede?) that showed the production of the Tesla battery produces as much CO2 as driving a v8 for EIGHT YEARS. That doesn't even include the CO2 used to charge it.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 1:41 pm to weagle99
All that reflected energy will act like a jet engine and push the earth out of its natural orbit around the sun.
It will kill us all.
It will kill us all.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 1:50 pm to Machine
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its a shame science isn't constantly evolving
What's more recent, a decade old article or a 40 year old article that you still cling to like a religion?
Posted on 6/21/17 at 1:57 pm to weagle99
Posted on 6/21/17 at 2:00 pm to weagle99
Don't ask questions. It might kill The Narrative.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 2:08 pm to weagle99
If solar panels were a real solution to this hypothetical climate change, and not just about government money, they'd be working on getting them in space.
The lack of effort put towards real advancement/innovation is awfully telling. It is not the threat they claim.. and should not be considered such until there's a dedication comparable to the space race, which was treated as "life or death".
The lack of effort put towards real advancement/innovation is awfully telling. It is not the threat they claim.. and should not be considered such until there's a dedication comparable to the space race, which was treated as "life or death".
Posted on 6/21/17 at 2:13 pm to Machine
quote:wow, they've learned how to bypass the laws of thermodynamics in the last decade? Pretty impressive
its a shame science isn't constantly evolving
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:31 pm to weagle99
It melts the sun and we all freeze
Posted on 6/21/17 at 9:35 pm to HubbaBubba
Some people just don't get it. Mother Nature will adjust and life will go on.
It'll be a shame if all these carbon tax laws go into effect just to have a meteor wipe all all the world's beachfront.
But it'll be Republicans fault for the meteor as well cause Republicans are racists and meteors are oppressed or something.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 10:34 pm to jcaz
During the typical cycle, the solar rays bounce off of the earth and return to the sun to be recycled into new energy. This would spell the end of the sun eventually because the Rays will be trapped on earth. Then the earth will turn into the sun and the moon into the earth. The new earth will have no moon.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 10:57 pm to Dick Leverage
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During the typical cycle, the solar rays bounce off of the earth and return to the sun to be recycled into new energy. This would spell the end of the sun eventually because the Rays will be trapped on earth. Then the earth will turn into the sun and the moon into the earth. The new earth will have no moon.
I just read an article on this moonbeam theory, very interesting indeed.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 11:03 pm to weagle99
What if we like...just powered a bunch of refrigerators and left the doors open


Posted on 6/21/17 at 11:16 pm to weagle99
I made this thread a few months ago.
Iosh called me dumb.
Iosh called me dumb.
Posted on 6/21/17 at 11:20 pm to skiptumahloo
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The energy wasted as heat from the initial reaction, both in the case of solar and hydrocarbon power, was a one time thing. However, only in the hydrocarbon case did we produce a molecule of greenhouse gas (CO2 in this case) that will continue trapping heat and re-emitting it back toward earth for decades and decades
Is there a saturation limit beyond which additional CO2 does not reflect any more energy? If so, what is it?
Ah frick it I'll just post it:
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