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re: If Trump isn’t careful he won’t last until the end of his term

Posted on 1/9/21 at 10:28 pm to
Posted by Gtmodawg
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Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 1/9/21 at 10:28 pm to
Pence and Graham are prepping for their Goldwater / Rhodes moment. By Wednesday.....probably sometime Monday. No vestige of the GOP survives a failed coup attempt led by their President.
Posted by davyjones
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Posted on 1/9/21 at 10:31 pm to
Give that another look. I'm quite certain that the potential simple majority disqualification vote by the Senate would come only after a conviction in the Senate trial. Even then it's still not completely settled as to whether that vote requires simple majority, or the 2/3. But again, the main point here being that comes only after Senate conviction of the charge(s) contained within the article(s) of impeachment.
Posted by Kester514
Member since Oct 2020
272 posts
Posted on 1/9/21 at 10:36 pm to
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cajunbama


How does the name Jesus Christ make you feel? Angry? ... Hurt? ... Be honest.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
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Member since Apr 2010
22799 posts
Posted on 1/9/21 at 10:36 pm to
I don’t see Trump running again anyways.
Posted by Clashmore Mike
Member since Oct 2014
788 posts
Posted on 1/9/21 at 10:37 pm to
My understanding is that the Disqualification can be voted on after a vote on conviction. After this conviction vote (even if it fails to reach the 2/3 required majority), a vote on Disqualification can occur.

It's a bit murky since Disqualification from future public office has only been used a few times (to get rid of Federal Judges). It's never been used on a President.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
164137 posts
Posted on 1/9/21 at 10:38 pm to
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There won’t be a trial, just an immediate vote


The house can pass whatever stupid shite they want but it won't get Trump out of office.
Posted by Feelthebarn
Lower Alabama
Member since Nov 2012
2389 posts
Posted on 1/9/21 at 10:40 pm to
You just threatened the president of the United States. We will see you shortly. Don't wear boots/high heels. Don't wear a belt or other metal objects. Make it easy on yourself. Wear scrubs or something. Ttyl
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
22799 posts
Posted on 1/9/21 at 10:42 pm to
The whole thing is stupid because he would have to be voted into office anyways. Are they trying to eliminate the future potential will of the people?

Anyways he is not going to run again imo.
This post was edited on 1/9/21 at 10:43 pm
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
20223 posts
Posted on 1/9/21 at 10:43 pm to
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He should keep his mouth shut and ride off into the sunset.


Tough guy huh?
Posted by Fububutsy
Lake Charles, LA
Member since Jan 2007
3949 posts
Posted on 1/9/21 at 10:46 pm to
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cajunbama


Get fricked, you cocksucking cünt.
Posted by Clashmore Mike
Member since Oct 2014
788 posts
Posted on 1/9/21 at 10:50 pm to
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The whole thing is stupid because he would have to be voted into office anyways. Are they trying to eliminate the future potential will of the people?


I think it's a way for the Senate to punish Trump for the events of January 6th. Remember the 2nd, 3rd and 4th person in the line of succession for the Presidency were in the Capitol certifying the Electoral College when the riot occurred.

They wouldn't remove him from office, but they would prevent him from seeking the Presidency ever again.
Posted by davyjones
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Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 1/9/21 at 10:59 pm to
Just for the sake of citing anything on the matter, below is an excerpt from a Vox article on the subject from the last day or two. But that's the consensus amongst the other pieces I saw/read on the matter. Only after conviction does this potential sanction come into play, and the question in that event then becomes whether a simple majority is sufficient to levy the disqualification penalty, or whether it be 2/3.

"To be clear, such a simple majority vote may only take place after the Senate has already voted to convict an impeached official. Two-thirds of the Senate must first agree to remove someone from office before that official can be disqualified — a simple majority cannot, acting on its own, disqualify an official from holding future office."

Vox via Google
*section I cited is toward end of article
Posted by Chet Donnely
Member since Sep 2015
1537 posts
Posted on 1/9/21 at 11:05 pm to
frick you. You suck at talking football. Don’t even start trying here.
Posted by Lucius Clay
Member since Sep 2012
3420 posts
Posted on 1/9/21 at 11:05 pm to
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Unfortunatelyl for you guys, he's going to be around for a good while yet!!


He's going to spend the rest of his life fighting criminal charges for tax evasion and who knows what else in New York state, and plenty of civil suits. And no one deserves that fate more than him and his crime family.

His best hope is to keep collecting donations from kind of trash that we saw carrying Confederate flags around the Capitol. Maybe you can donate to his legal fund. He'll gladly take your contributions.
Posted by Clashmore Mike
Member since Oct 2014
788 posts
Posted on 1/9/21 at 11:14 pm to
As I said, it's a bit murky since it's seldom used. In a Reuters article yesterday, it stated the following:

"Can Trump be disqualified from future public office?

Yes. This consequence of impeachment is specifically mentioned in the Constitution.

Two historical precedents, both involving federal judges, make clear that only a simple majority of the Senate is needed to disqualify Trump from holding future office. Legal experts said this lower standard means Democrats, who will take control of the Senate later in January, have a realistic chance of barring Trump from running for president in 2024 — a possibility he has discussed.

One complication with that plan, however, is that under Senate precedent a vote on disqualification is only held after a vote on whether to convict and remove from office.

Paul Campos, a law professor at the University of Colorado, said he believed the Senate would have the authority to vote only on future disqualification. This scenario becomes more likely if Trump’s impeachment trial is still pending on Jan. 20, when his presidency ends, Campos said.

So Trump can be impeached after he has left office?

No court has yet definitively ruled on the matter, but many scholars believe the impeachment proceeding would not be rendered moot by Trump leaving office, since disqualification from future office would remain a potential penalty."

Source: Disqualification from future office
Posted by FlexDawg
Member since Jan 2018
12812 posts
Posted on 1/9/21 at 11:25 pm to
Shut up pussy
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
30112 posts
Posted on 1/9/21 at 11:26 pm to
I can't tell if there's anything we disagree on.

I do agree that disqualification from future office is a potential sanction. I do also agree that there's precedence for the use of simple majority in the Senate vote to determine whether that sanction is warranted.

Now, I sensed that perhaps we weren't aligned on the question of whether the Senate must have first voted 2/3 to convict (a "successful" conviction) before the possibility of disqualification from future office can even be addressed. That is indeed what I've gleaned from the information and articles I've seen on the 'net.
Posted by Clashmore Mike
Member since Oct 2014
788 posts
Posted on 1/9/21 at 11:46 pm to
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I can't tell if there's anything we disagree on.


I agree. Like I said, it's murky as hell.

All of the articles I have seen say Disqualification comes after a vote on Conviction. But I have also seen other articles (like the Reuters one I quoted) that say that since Conviction and Removal will be effectively moot after January 20th (since he's already left office), that a Disqualification from future office vote could be held only (since this punishment would not be moot). So who knows.

BTW, I want to make it clear that I'm not advocating this action, I'm only trying to inform this board that this is a possible scenario in the next few weeks. When I read the Reuters article, I was genuinely surprised that "Disqualification from Future Office" was a possible sanction along with Conviction and Removal.
This post was edited on 1/9/21 at 11:49 pm
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
30112 posts
Posted on 1/10/21 at 12:07 am to
All good

Despite the fact that there are those like Col Flagg up above who opine that there's basically no chance Trump would realistically harbor thoughts of running again, which is a perfectly acceptable position to take, however the powers that be certainly appear to think it's more than mere gossip. They seem to me to be flustered at the thought of it. I find that a bit interesting.
Posted by Tigahs24Seven
Communist USA
Member since Nov 2007
12125 posts
Posted on 1/10/21 at 12:11 am to
You should spontaneously combust and fricking disappear.
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