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re: If trump and musk cut social security
Posted on 2/22/25 at 7:39 pm to Scoper
Posted on 2/22/25 at 7:39 pm to Scoper
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Republicans will lose the next generation of elections. They'll be lucky to hold onto the reddest of red states.
Congress would have to make changes to SS. Musk cant make cuts. You know all this but its not convenient to your tantrum
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Posted on 2/22/25 at 7:42 pm to Codythetiger
Very eloquent Cody, did you graduate the 2nd grade yet????
Posted on 2/22/25 at 7:47 pm to llfshoals
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Without the support you will need from the people, you’re doomed to fail. You as I said aren’t even looking at the problem because you don’t understand what the problem really is.
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You think it’s money, but that’s the symptom and not the disease.
What is the disease, exactly?
Earlier you answered this question by referencing the bureaucracy, which is meaningless for reasons I've already stated. You can cut that spending to $0 and you still need about 1T to get to even. The military is about 884B. Waste is about 236-500B.
Posted on 2/22/25 at 10:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:The nature of the American congressional system in its current form.
What is the disease, exactly?
When the continuing resolution was discovered by the various departments they found a way to spend vast amounts without any oversight. Here’s your budget, go spend it and if you overspend, that’s ok was basically the message. Take a gander at how deficit spending exploded LINK
Up and down, throughout every department the brakes were off with little if any accountability.
You bizarrely seem to think this is a quick fix. It isn’t. As I said before, you’re not a problem solver, plainly demonstrated here by your repeated inability to understand what the problem is. It will be a year at best before the big ticket items can even begin to be substantially addressed. And that’s assuming congress doesn’t throw a wrench in the gears. Given how many of them get kickbacks from various sources dependent on the government pork I put that likelihood as high.
There’s extremely good reasons you start with the smaller, easier targets with essentially zero downside. But because you don’t understand the problem, you aren’t even looking at why that is.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 9:46 am to Scoper
This would be the death of the Republican party. Too many depend on it and seniors arelikely to be conservative. Changing the retirement age is probably the way to go.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 9:49 am to Scoper
They are not touching SS - in fact, they are going to increase amount of payments for people on SS
Nice try though
Nice try though
Posted on 2/23/25 at 10:47 am to FLTech
As someone who gets SS I'll let you know when that happens.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 10:50 am to llfshoals
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When the continuing resolution was discovered by the various departments they found a way to spend vast amounts without any oversight. Here’s your budget, go spend it and if you overspend, that’s ok was basically the message. Take a gander at how deficit spending exploded L
Again, this is all irrelevant.
As I have told you multiple times, all of that non-discretionary, non-military spending can be cut to $0 and we're only about halfway there.
Our deficit exploded after 2008, to avoid feeling the effects of the 2009 crash, also. That + Covid is the majority of that difference.
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You bizarrely seem to think this is a quick fix.
It's not because it's not going to be fixed.
Why won't it be fixed? Because people melt at the thought of the real cuts necessary to fix things (which will include programs like SS/Medicare)
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As I said before, you’re not a problem solver, plainly demonstrated here by your repeated inability to understand what the problem is. I
The funny part is you don't realize I already have that baked in, and I've showed you the math, and you revert back to this
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There’s extremely good reasons you start with the smaller, easier targets with essentially zero downside.
Again, those savings won't keep up with the annual increase interest payments.
That means when you're ready to make the real cuts, we're in even worse shape, and have to make even bigger cuts.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 10:51 am to FLTech
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They are not touching SS - in fact, they are going to increase amount of payments for people on SS
Then they're not serious about combatting our deficits/debts
Posted on 2/23/25 at 11:07 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Just keep demonstrating you have zero clue. It’s funny.
As I have told you multiple times, all of that non-discretionary, non-military spending can be cut to $0 and we're only about halfway there.
quote:Started before that, again you miss the point.
Our deficit exploded after 2008, to avoid feeling the effects of the 2009 crash, also. That + Covid is the majority of that difference.
quote:You just aren’t capable of understanding how to do it. Again, you’re not a problem solver.
It's not because it's not going to be fixed. Why won't it be fixed? Because people melt at the thought of the real cuts necessary to fix things (which will include programs like SS/Medicare)
quote:You don’t understand the math, how the government is constructed and how to modify it. You just don’t have the mental capability. It’s ok, not everyone is a problem solver.
The funny part is you don't realize I already have that baked in, and I've showed you the math, and you revert back to this
quote:Once again, you demonstrate an inability to understand the problem.
Again, those savings won't keep up with the annual increase interest payments.
quote:No it doesn’t. Because you just can’t see a path. I feel like I’m trying to describe why bending a hook for a drywall hanger works better. She just can’t get it, just like you here.
That means when you're ready to make the real cuts, we're in even worse shape, and have to make even bigger cuts.
You are looking in micro, not macro. Mostly because you’re treating a start as a finished product.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 11:39 am to llfshoals
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You don’t understand the math, how the government is constructed and how to modify it. You just don’t have the mental capability. It’s ok, not everyone is a problem solver.
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you demonstrate an inability to understand the problem.
We spend too much.
We spend so much our discretionary spending isn't likely enough to balance the budget.
You ignore this and pretend there is some magical formula in passing budgets for that discretionary spending that will fix the problem.
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No it doesn’t. Because you just can’t see a path.
I can see the path and it's based on cuts.
If you don't make cuts enough to offset the increase in interest payments, that means we run a deficit and the debt grows and the interest grows even faster the next year. Then you have to make larger cuts to offset the even larger interest expansion the following year. Again, if you make cuts too small, both the interest and debt get larger the third year. You're not making any progress in the net.
It's math.
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You are looking in micro, not macro.
I'm the guy telling you about the math when we reduce non-military, non-discretionary funding to $0. It doesn't get bigger picture than that.
You're just pretending there is some big brain way to avoid math and avoiding discussing the numbers themselves. It's basically a white flag on your part, at this point.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 12:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:You just can’t see it. The money isn’t the problem, it’s the mechanism.
We spend too much. We spend so much our discretionary spending isn't likely enough to balance the budget.
quote:I haven’t once said that. You assumed it because that’s the limit of your intellect.
You ignore this and pretend there is some magical formula in passing budgets for that discretionary spending that will fix the problem.
quote:Except it won’t, because your way won’t accomplish it. It’s dead politically because to use a builders analogy, you’re pouring concrete without prepping the foundation.
I can see the path and it's based on cuts.
quote:It’s politics and math. Your math doesn’t work because you neglected the foundation.
It's math.
quote:because you think you understand the math, and you don’t.
I'm the guy telling you about the math when we reduce non-military, non-discretionary funding to $0. It doesn't get bigger picture than that.
quote:I haven’t ignored the math. Yours is just wrong because you don’t understand the problem therefore your solution won’t work.
You're just pretending there is some big brain way to avoid math and avoiding discussing the numbers themselves. It's basically a white flag on your part, at this point.
You’re incapable of it. That much is plain because not only can’t you see it, you refuse to.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 12:15 pm to llfshoals
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Except it won’t, because your way won’t accomplish it. It’s dead politically because to use a builders analogy, you’re pouring concrete without prepping the foundation.
Then it's not going to happen, which is what I have predicted.
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The money isn’t the problem, it’s the mechanism.
No it's the money.
The deficit-debt issue is agnostic to "mechanism".
Posted on 2/23/25 at 12:21 pm to back9Tiger
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created to afford people retirement money that was withheld from their checks each week
Neither was social security. Check the average lifespan of an American when that shitty fricking deal was passed.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 1:28 pm to JacieNY
My parents get SS and they don’t seem worried one bit about it because they know that Tru p will not allow for anything to be touched on their income. They trust Trump and Elon
Posted on 2/23/25 at 1:33 pm to llfshoals
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You just don’t have the mental capability. It’s ok, not everyone is a problem solver.
Very evident
Posted on 2/23/25 at 1:34 pm to Mushroom1968
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Very evident
Posted on 2/23/25 at 5:43 pm to Mushroom1968
quote:He’s incapable of understanding it. Doubt he’s ever built anything or had any direct exposure and experience with Congress.
Very evident
Both are pretty necessary to have an understanding of the difficulties and obstacles.
I think i understand the tack Musk is on, and it’s brilliant. I guess I shouldn’t have been surprised, but between him, his team and The President have a good handle on the obstacles and how to attack them.
I don’t know if it will work, but I see the framework being built that just might succeed.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 5:43 pm to VoxDawg
Wear cotton panties too.
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