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Posted on 8/11/23 at 1:36 pm to BFIV
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I wonder what the left calls Joe Manchin? I've never heard him called a DINO. Rich, maybe?
His wife made some good money in govt work. Of course she was appointed to those jobs by her husband.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 1:44 pm to MFn GIMP
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why is being a Republican in Name Only a bad thing?
Because the current GOPe aren't Republicans, maybe?
Don't blur the line between an established stooge and a principled conservative Republican. Democrats to me, were always the Kennedy type like my dad was, but these Democrats today are straight up Stalinists/Etatists, so technically they're "DINOs".
Overall, the "Republicans" are the controlled opposition wing of the Establishment Marxist Uniparty, and the "Democrats" are the action wing. Neither are whom they claim to be.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 1:48 pm to moneyg
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I've noticed Desantis supporters try to play semantics games to diffuse a negative term.
No its trump and many of his parroting moronic followers who have rendered the term absolutely meaningless. So very Sharptonesque.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 1:55 pm to moneyg
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Case in point.
Explain how what I posted is inaccurate.
And why are you so reluctant to embrace the political identity you've chosen for yourself? I don't get it. Trump is your man and he's great in a lot of respects, but he isn't a principled conservative and he's headlong in the establishment. Why are you so embarrassed about that?
Posted on 8/11/23 at 1:56 pm to moneyg
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I've noticed Desantis supporters try to play semantics games to diffuse a negative term.
It's not a semantics game. It's a genuine question. You can call me a RINO all you want because I prefer DeSantis, it doesn't bother me. As I said in my OP, it was just a thought I had on a slow work day and I wanted to start a thread that wasn't Ron vs Don.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 1:58 pm to tgdawg68
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No its trump and many of his parroting moronic followers who have rendered the term absolutely meaningless.
The term today has zero to do with principle, policies or beliefs. Currently it has one meaning and one meaning only, someone who disagrees with or says something negative about Trump
This post was edited on 8/11/23 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 8/11/23 at 2:01 pm to TigerAxeOK
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Because the current GOPe aren't Republicans, maybe?
Don't blur the line between an established stooge and a principled conservative Republican. Democrats to me, were always the Kennedy type like my dad was, but these Democrats today are straight up Stalinists/Etatists, so technically they're "DINOs".
Overall, the "Republicans" are the controlled opposition wing of the Establishment Marxist Uniparty, and the "Democrats" are the action wing. Neither are whom they claim to be.
Good point. I am still a registered Republican but I haven't considered myself a Republican for years because nationally elected officials will say anything to get elected. For example, John McCain who campaigned for years on repealing Obamacare but when he actually had a chance to do so voted against it out of spite for Trump.
That just brings us back to the purpose of the thread though. If "Republicans" are just controlled opposition why is "RINO" a negative term? Wouldn't the negative term being calling them a Republican?
Posted on 8/11/23 at 3:34 pm to Tmcgin
RINO = Democrat.
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I’m a proud Rino
Posted on 8/11/23 at 4:07 pm to MFn GIMP
RINO's are republicans who often side with democrats over their own members or voters. For example, in Louisiana's legislature, the speaker of the House was a moderate republican who was elected speaker by a small group of moderate republicans voting with all of the democrats so that a more conservative republican would not be elected.
The corruption in the GOP is often levied at these more moderate republicans who side with democrats on key issues.
Thus, calling someone a RINO is a slur by the more conservative republicans to identify and disparage Republicans, who tend to be in leadership positions, who frequently work across the aisle with democrats at the expense of rank and file republicans and the desires of republican voters.
The issue has been that republican candidates run on a platform supported by republican voters, then vote against that platform once elected. Trump ran on a platform that appealed to republican voters, attempted to support policy that aligned with that platform, and then was crucified by many elected republican officials.
When the party apparatus works in direct contrast with the desires of voters, it is behaving like a RINO. When the party apparatus behaves in accordance to the values it purports to have during the election process, it is not a RINO.
The problems levied at the GOP are as follows:
1. The GOP is reactionary rather than proactive. The GOP too frequently focuses on stopping bad policy by Democrats rather than proposing good policy.
2. The GOP supports a bad status quo. The Democratic party's support comes from individuals fed up from a status quo that doesn't work for most people. The GOP, in combating the Democratic Party's attempts to change the status quo has made it easy to be labeled as the party Championing the Status Quo. The GOP needs to recognize that the status quo is absolutely F&%KED for the non-political/donor class, and propose solutions to change the status quo in a positive way.
3. The GOP is spineless. Despite the fact that Democrats constantly flagrantly ignore the law, procedure, and attack Republicans through every means necessary, Republicans rarely fight back. On any issue where brinksmanship is entered into by the Democrats, it is always moderate Republicans who cave to pressure and compromise granting Democrat demands. As a result, the Democrats always get some of what they want, and can operate outside of the law without consequence.
4. Republicans constantly betray their own. Democrats demand absolute loyalty and almost never break ranks on anything. Even though Joe Biden, Shiela Jackson Lee, and Ocasia Cortez have vastly different philosophies and goals, when the chips are down, they will vote in lockstep with one-another. Republicans constantly fight each other over everything. The moderate Republicans actively try to block more conservative members of the caucus from leadership positions by siding with democrats. Moderate republicans will fund primary challengers, conduct lawfare, and do pretty much anything to keep conservative republicans from getting elected over a moderate republican or even a democrat.
The reality is that the moderate republicans are the problem. They are called RINO's because they might as well be democrats. They side with the democrats on every major issue, they sabotage their republican colleagues to keep them out of leadership positions, and they even actively campaign against their fellow republicans and frequently support democratic candidates against them.
It is, indeed, the RINO's who have taken control of the party's funding and election apparatus and wield it to defeat candidates that more readily align with the GOP's voter base. The voters and small donors have become wise to this and have largely stopped contributing directly to the National GOP.
The corruption in the GOP is often levied at these more moderate republicans who side with democrats on key issues.
Thus, calling someone a RINO is a slur by the more conservative republicans to identify and disparage Republicans, who tend to be in leadership positions, who frequently work across the aisle with democrats at the expense of rank and file republicans and the desires of republican voters.
The issue has been that republican candidates run on a platform supported by republican voters, then vote against that platform once elected. Trump ran on a platform that appealed to republican voters, attempted to support policy that aligned with that platform, and then was crucified by many elected republican officials.
When the party apparatus works in direct contrast with the desires of voters, it is behaving like a RINO. When the party apparatus behaves in accordance to the values it purports to have during the election process, it is not a RINO.
The problems levied at the GOP are as follows:
1. The GOP is reactionary rather than proactive. The GOP too frequently focuses on stopping bad policy by Democrats rather than proposing good policy.
2. The GOP supports a bad status quo. The Democratic party's support comes from individuals fed up from a status quo that doesn't work for most people. The GOP, in combating the Democratic Party's attempts to change the status quo has made it easy to be labeled as the party Championing the Status Quo. The GOP needs to recognize that the status quo is absolutely F&%KED for the non-political/donor class, and propose solutions to change the status quo in a positive way.
3. The GOP is spineless. Despite the fact that Democrats constantly flagrantly ignore the law, procedure, and attack Republicans through every means necessary, Republicans rarely fight back. On any issue where brinksmanship is entered into by the Democrats, it is always moderate Republicans who cave to pressure and compromise granting Democrat demands. As a result, the Democrats always get some of what they want, and can operate outside of the law without consequence.
4. Republicans constantly betray their own. Democrats demand absolute loyalty and almost never break ranks on anything. Even though Joe Biden, Shiela Jackson Lee, and Ocasia Cortez have vastly different philosophies and goals, when the chips are down, they will vote in lockstep with one-another. Republicans constantly fight each other over everything. The moderate Republicans actively try to block more conservative members of the caucus from leadership positions by siding with democrats. Moderate republicans will fund primary challengers, conduct lawfare, and do pretty much anything to keep conservative republicans from getting elected over a moderate republican or even a democrat.
The reality is that the moderate republicans are the problem. They are called RINO's because they might as well be democrats. They side with the democrats on every major issue, they sabotage their republican colleagues to keep them out of leadership positions, and they even actively campaign against their fellow republicans and frequently support democratic candidates against them.
It is, indeed, the RINO's who have taken control of the party's funding and election apparatus and wield it to defeat candidates that more readily align with the GOP's voter base. The voters and small donors have become wise to this and have largely stopped contributing directly to the National GOP.
Posted on 8/11/23 at 4:53 pm to MFn GIMP
I take it you dont understand what it means to be a RINO (Republican In Name Only)? Bill Cassidy and Romney are DIMs, who cant get elected in their respective states as DIMs. So they label themselves as a Republican as a form of subterfuge
Being called a RINO is actually more proof that the GOPe is corrupt. They let these types survive and thrive within their party
Being called a RINO is actually more proof that the GOPe is corrupt. They let these types survive and thrive within their party
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