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re: If the 14th Amendment guarantees birthright citizenship then why ...
Posted on 6/3/26 at 12:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/3/26 at 12:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Because what other foreigner could be born both within the geographical borders of the United States and a foreign nation?
This ignores the
"Born off the reservation"
Stipulation
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Posted on 6/3/26 at 1:07 pm to UtahCajun
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This ignores the
"Born off the reservation"
Stipulation
That was largely incorporated with the next words
quote:
This + racism led to Elk v. Wilkins.
The government was very racist against Indians and it was a legal quagmire, so we got Elk v. Wilkins. Again, if this "domicile" argument from the admin becomes law, that will also reverse Elk. v. Wilkins (because Indians domciled off the reservation could produce citizen progeny with a "domicile" standard)
Posted on 6/3/26 at 1:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Because what other foreigner could be born both within the geographical borders of the United States and a foreign nation?
Posted on 6/3/26 at 1:47 pm to NC_Tigah
What you quoted was not my full post. Do better.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 1:48 pm to RemouladeSawce
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They were not subject to US jurisdiction in the same manner a
Unless they committed a really serious crime. And then, all of a sudden, they were subject to the jurisdiction.
Whoopsie.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 1:50 pm to UtahCajun
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Lacking in the "sports history" category?
I guess we can add that to the ever growing list.
Dude, I'm making fun of the post listing the various sports teams named after native Americans.
I used to go to Jazz games at the Superdome to see Pistol Pete.
This post was edited on 6/3/26 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 6/3/26 at 2:08 pm to TBoy
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I used to go to Jazz games at the Superdome to see Pistol Pete
I almost bought a condo(townhome really) that used to belong to Pistol Pete when I first moved to SLC. Nice place on the Bountiful benches, overlooking the Great Salt Lake.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 2:12 pm to UtahCajun
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I almost bought a condo(townhome really) that used to belong to Pistol Pete when I first moved to SLC. Nice place on the Bountiful benches, overlooking the Great Salt Lake.
I didn't realize/remember he was still on the Jazz after they moved to Utah.
Looked it up, and see that was his last year, when he was traded to Boston after 17 games, and was part of Larry Bird's first playoff run team.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 2:16 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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I didn't realize/remember he was still on the Jazz after they moved to Utah.
Looked it up, and see that was his last year, when he was traded to Boston after 17 games, and was part of Larry Bird's first playoff run team
They still love him there for some reason.
Or
He is the only person they knew from Louisiana until they met me and wanted to be nice. Mormons are overly nice.
They also love the Saints over there for some reason.
This post was edited on 6/3/26 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 6/3/26 at 2:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Nor was your answer to mine.
What you quoted was not my full post. Do better.
Hence ...
Posted on 6/3/26 at 5:25 pm to deuceiswild
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I just want to know why anyone who supports birthright citizenship, supports it. Something other than "because the SCOTUS said so", decades ago.
Why do you agree with the ruling? What's in it for you? Why do you think I should agree with it? Why is it good for the country?
I want it ended.
Has the SCOTUS ruled for or against Birthright Citizenship yet?
quote:
The Supreme Court has not yet issued a final ruling on birthright citizenship as of June 3, 2026, but a decision in the landmark case Trump v. Barbara is expected by June 30, 2026. The case challenges the constitutionality of President Donald Trump's January 2025 executive order, which seeks to end automatic citizenship for children born in the U.S. to undocumented immigrants or those on temporary visas.
Oral arguments held on April 1, 2026, revealed significant skepticism from the justices toward the administration's position. Chief Justice John Roberts emphasized that "it's the same Constitution" despite changing immigration patterns, while Justice Elena Kagan noted that the text of the 14th Amendment does not support the government's "revisionist theory." The Trump administration argues that the phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" implies a requirement for parental domicile (permanent legal residence), a interpretation that conflicts with over a century of precedent established in United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898).
Key aspects of the pending decision include:
The outcome will determine whether the 14th Amendment guarantees citizenship to virtually everyone born on U.S. soil or restricts it based on parental immigration status.
A ruling against the government could lead to increased scrutiny for green card applicants and potential retaliatory policies affecting non-citizens with U.S. citizen children.
Legal experts and lower courts have consistently blocked the executive order, citing that it contradicts the text of the Constitution and longstanding judicial precedent.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 10:44 pm to scrooster
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longstanding judicial precedent
Is a hot mess.
Posted on 6/3/26 at 10:47 pm to scrooster
I think the first ten amendments were enough
Posted on 6/3/26 at 10:55 pm to Auburn1968
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No matter what, it is just plain wrong to give citizenship to a child of illegal aliens that happens to be born in the US.
110% agreed.
Posted on 6/4/26 at 8:22 am to deuceiswild
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Why do you agree with the ruling? What's in it for you? Why do you think I should agree with it? Why is it good for the country?
No one answered your questions did they?
May I add, would it change one's support for birthright citizenship if they had to bear the full brunt of the fallout?
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