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re: If Tariffs Are Put in Place People Won't Be Able to Afford Cars

Posted on 11/9/24 at 7:42 am to
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93850 posts
Posted on 11/9/24 at 7:42 am to
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amounts to an average annual tax increase on US households of $625


So a 2 dollars a mnth increase

No wonder you melt down about it
Posted by oldskule
Down South
Member since Mar 2016
23306 posts
Posted on 11/9/24 at 7:42 am to
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Price inflation is only a problem when democrats cause it. Gotcha


No dumbfrick.....Republicans have a plan, Dems just let shite happen.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297396 posts
Posted on 11/9/24 at 7:44 am to
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So a 2 dollars a mnth increase


Did you find someone to read to you yet?
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
19206 posts
Posted on 11/9/24 at 7:47 am to
Does anyone remember the massive spike in car prices back from 2016 to 2019?

No…because it didn’t happen. They shot up during COVID and have been there ever since.

Do away with CAFE standards so manufacturers can make vehicles people actually want to buy and that’ll more than offset any frictional cost from tariffs.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93850 posts
Posted on 11/9/24 at 7:47 am to
How embarrassing for you

Everytime you try and breakdown the number it just gets worse for your narrative
Posted by oklahogjr
Gold Membership
Member since Jan 2010
40237 posts
Posted on 11/9/24 at 7:48 am to
The cpa gtap model was quite interesting to read about.what makes you trust that model above all the others?

protectionists groups get tarrifs all wrong

quote:

The increases in production quantity in the steel and aluminum industries translated to an increase of about $2.25 billion in 2021 for these industries combined . . . In terms of the decline in the absolute dollar value of their downstream domestic production, the downstream industries experienced a decline of about $3.48 billion in 2021 because of the steel and aluminum tariffs.”


quote:

So the USITC study suggests that tariffs reduce net manufacturing output—that’s the exact opposite of the interpretation CPA relies on to justify its assertions.


Reads like either they're on to something or selling a whole load of shite and I can't really tell which. Although the criticisms make sense.


Also from the cpa gtap model it clearly says tarrifs are inflationary...it just says were gonna make so much more domestically it won't matter based on their elastic tarrifs production... Which is the part it looks like many are questioning the realism of. Seems like the underlying data and studies cited in model changes don't arrive at same conclusions they did...



Posted by Gifman
Member since Jan 2021
17594 posts
Posted on 11/9/24 at 7:49 am to
I love the transformation of democrats into rigid economists when a republican is in office.

You dipshits haven’t said dick about the economy in 4 years except for “muh grocery store is gauging us!”
This post was edited on 11/9/24 at 7:54 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297396 posts
Posted on 11/9/24 at 7:52 am to
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love the transformation of democrats into rigid economists when a republican is in office.


More shocking is the Republican acceptance of Democrat economics based on one man.

Tariffs are grifts to the unions, few of whom support Republicans. The support for this tax on consumers is straight out of the Democrat playbook.
Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
5770 posts
Posted on 11/9/24 at 7:54 am to
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I love the transformation of democrats into rigid economists when a republican is in office.


And what do the economists on the right say?
Posted by Gifman
Member since Jan 2021
17594 posts
Posted on 11/9/24 at 7:57 am to
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And what do the economists on the right say?


Deflect !
Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
5770 posts
Posted on 11/9/24 at 7:58 am to
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Deflect !


Not a deflect. You obviously don't know the conservative position here.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297396 posts
Posted on 11/9/24 at 7:59 am to
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And what do the economits on the right say?


They've bought into Democrat economics, hiring actual Democrat Socialists into the campaign and think its not gonna go off the rails.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
93850 posts
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:00 am to
Oh noz a 2 dollar a mnth tax!!
Posted by UcobiaA
The Gump
Member since Nov 2010
4145 posts
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:01 am to
A few years ago I saw a list of goods and how the prices compared to like 10, 20, and thirty years earlier, allowing for inflation. Pretty much everything was around the same price, except for automobiles, which were over much more expensive relative to inflation.
Posted by Kneehigh
Low Country
Member since Nov 2012
16762 posts
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:02 am to
It’s not necessarily the Tariffs… it’s the REGULATIONS and the government STEALING or PREVENTING jobs just because it’s different from the administration’s agenda. END THESE SENSELESS REGULATIONS and prices will come down slightly.
Posted by baobabtiger
Member since May 2009
4935 posts
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:03 am to
Govt regulation and mandates of cars is what is driving the price up. Safety, gas mileage, and emissions are drastically driving price up.

It’s not the car makers.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297396 posts
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:04 am to
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Pretty much everything was around the same price, except for automobiles, which were over much more expensive relative to inflation.


We keep bailing these automakers out when they fail.

In the 80s the Reagan administration tried to protect domestic mfgs with quotas. The Japanese, being smarter than American bureaucrats created luxury brands, like Lexus, Acura... and added value into their cars and profited.

Govt intrusion into markets almost always fails, this is a conservative staple, yet here we have "conservatives" begging for more government intrusion into markets.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297396 posts
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:05 am to
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It’s not the car makers.


Car makers have no incentive to improve as long as government is rigging the market in their favor.

One key cornerstone of capitalism is competition. MAGA doesnt seem to understand that.
This post was edited on 11/9/24 at 8:07 am
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
65416 posts
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:08 am to
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So youre saying you like tariffs as a tax on consumers.


Tariffs would be a fair and equal tax on all consumers as opposed to a very flawed and rigged income tax system that works for no one except those that know how to work tax credits and write-offs.
Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
19598 posts
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:08 am to
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Price inflation is only a problem when democrats cause it. Gotcha
12 of the last 16 years, I am really looking forward to Republicans getting another shot. I’m glad no more Obama administration. I am still in celebration mode. Step aside it’s our turn.
This post was edited on 11/9/24 at 8:11 am
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