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re: If local request unnecessary, why didn't Trump deploy National Guard earlier on J6?
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:39 am to IvoryBillMatt
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:39 am to IvoryBillMatt
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What am I missing?
Basic reasoning skills, it appears.
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Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:39 am to IvoryBillMatt
Easy question. Jan 6 was not a violent mob with destruction of property on the street. At most there was a couple windows broken by a few idiots.
We are not violent like you child groomers
We are not violent like you child groomers
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:46 am to IvoryBillMatt
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What am I missing? The President said he offered to provide Guard troops a few days prior to J6, but the Mayor and Capitol Hill leadership declined. The deployment in California of the National Guard over Newsome's objection shows that the President has the power to deploy irrespective of what local authorities think.
What are you missing?
Trump like America learned that Democrat leaders desire anarchy, arson, pillaging, economic disruption, police officer injuries, etc. in their normal political operations when Nancy (Famous California Democrat) refused the Guard.
So once bitten and now wiser, he didn’t wait for the Democrat California governor and local Democrat leaders to refuse this time.
So as an intelligent poster I’m quite confused on how you missed such a blatantly obvious answer to your question of, “What am I missing?”
This leads to my question, “Are you actually this fricken clueless?”
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:47 am to 4cubbies
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Emotions have been running extremely high around here for quite some time. Unfortunately, you will not get many (if any) serious responses to your question.
You are one to talk.
Remember the thread where you claimed that reparations and more money to minorities was needed for equality and you ignored… multiple times… when asked to explain the disappearance of BLM’s billions in donations (for equality) with no new ongoing programs and their impending bankruptcy?? While their leaders spend lavishly on themselves?
Hiii larious.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:47 am to IvoryBillMatt
J6 was an Op on both sides
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:47 am to oklahogjr
J6 was nothing like this.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:49 am to loogaroo
Thanks for the discussion. The back and forth (I just assumed the Mayor of DC was the CIC of the DC National Guard) led me to look it up. Apparently the President had bad advice re J6. He didn't need anyone's request to deploy the DC National Guard at anytime.
Never mind, apples to oranges, re California vs DC on J6.
Never mind, apples to oranges, re California vs DC on J6.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:49 am to 4cubbies
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My take is that Donald Trump basically organized and endorsed J6, so he did not want to crash his own party.
Your take is sh!t as usual. Go F a street bum with cockroaches on his leg.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:52 am to Deuces
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Kash Patel showed written proof in court that Nancy Pelosi and the DC mayor rejected the National Guard days before J6.
THIS. Plus Donald Trump had no knowledge that FEDS planned to embed forces and instigators into these crowds to incite the backdrop for the fake insurrection.
The insurrection had to happen for Congress to suspend the rules which negated the contested States from being sent back to their legislatures for full forensic audits.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:52 am to Gaspergou202
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This leads to my question, “Are you actually this fricken clueless?”
Good analysis...and, yes, I am this fricken clueless. Turns out, in the case of the DC National Guard, the President is already CIC without any kind of special situation.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:53 am to IvoryBillMatt
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Again, I genuinely don't know what the distinction is. That's why I'm asking the question.
J6th was a half a day. It was also not anticipated that there would be paid agitators in the crowd to escalate it beyond a protest. Also.. no citizenry from another country involved.
These riots are ongoing and are being perpetrated with actual assistance from foreigners waiving a foreign flag while destroying American property.
I think there is a very clear distinction
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:53 am to IvoryBillMatt
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So if Nancy Pelosi had ultimate authority to reject the Guard, why didn't Newsome???
Probably because there’s a difference between the speaker of the house at the capital building and the state of California.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:55 am to IvoryBillMatt
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pparently the President had bad advice re J6. He didn't need anyone's request to deploy the DC National Guard at anytime.
I disagree. The Capitol grounds are different. Trump could have ordered Guard around the Capitol before the protests on Capitol Grounds began, but not on Capitol grounds
You may be right once the protests began - a finding/declaration of civil unrest/invasion/etc. would most likely allow the President to order NG to police the Capitol grounds, but I am almost certain he could not do so beforehand.
Either way - he would have faced heavy criticism from creating a "Constitutional crisis" for bypassing Pelosi's denial of policing on the Ggrounds that Congress has sole control over policing.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:57 am to riccoar
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THIS. Plus Donald Trump had no knowledge that FEDS planned to embed forces and instigators into these crowds to incite the backdrop for the fake insurrection.
The insurrection had to happen for Congress to suspend the rules which negated the contested States from being sent back to their legislatures for full forensic audits.
I agree completely with this analysis. I genuinely think that's what happened on J6.
I was just surprised to learn that the President was already CIC of the DC National Guard...so Pelosi was irrelevant to whether or not the DC Guard was deployed.
I guess the answer to my question was a practical not a legal one. Trump didn't deploy National Guard in time on J6 because he didn't think the protestors would be incited by Government plants.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:57 am to IvoryBillMatt
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but I need help reconciling these two events
That's most definitely a "you" problem.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:58 am to IvoryBillMatt
Ivory was the National Guard deployed at any point on J6?
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:59 am to IvoryBillMatt
LOL is this the OP pretending to be a moderate again?
Anyone that paid attention to J6 knows Pelosi refused the request, then planted her daughter and other allies in the crowd to record their destruction.
Keep up the good work, dumbass.
Anyone that paid attention to J6 knows Pelosi refused the request, then planted her daughter and other allies in the crowd to record their destruction.
Keep up the good work, dumbass.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 10:59 am to IvoryBillMatt
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so Pelosi was irrelevant to whether or not the DC Guard was deployed.
No she was not... Pelosi was in charge of the Capitol Police, which would have been the Lead Federal Agency had the NG or any other military force had been deployed...
Posted on 6/9/25 at 11:02 am to EZE Tiger Fan
Ivory and Power are really having a difficult time convincing others of their obvious conservatism
Posted on 6/9/25 at 11:05 am to JimEverett
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I disagree. The Capitol grounds are different. Trump could have ordered Guard around the Capitol before the protests on Capitol Grounds began, but not on Capitol grounds
You might be right. Just from a legal perspective, I was curious why the deference on J6, but not in California. I think we've fleshed out the differences...and yours might be the biggest one.
I was hoping someone could point me to a statutory difference: "In this case, the President is acting under...whereas on J6, he was constrained by...." Your comment about the Capitol Grounds being different makes the most sense. Thanks.
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