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re: If Drag Queens intentions are pure, why don't they simply wear their everyday clothes

Posted on 6/16/22 at 9:27 am to
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 6/16/22 at 9:27 am to
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How do you reverse puberty blockers and hormone treatments? And is “gender affirmation surgery” reversible?
You do not, which is why I oppose reassignment surgery for minors.

Feel free to run searches. I have taken this position for years.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138932 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 9:27 am to
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Why do circus clowns wear their makeup when performing for kids? Certainly they could do magic tricks and tie balloon animals in street clothes, right?

Because they are PERFORMERS. It is their NATURE.


Last I checked, kids weren't putting dollar bills in a clown's thong in a gay bar with adults drinking around them.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 9:28 am to
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Eating Tide Pods was trendy too. How’d that turn out?


Yeah, but remember, there weren't that many kids eating Tide Pods, so it wasn't really a big deal.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28182 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 9:28 am to
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Try as I might, I simply cannot remember pubertal blockers or genital mutilation associated with those other groups, and being pushed at them by adults.


But if the number of permanently damaged children is small enough then it's inconsequential and we're silly for discussing it.

I've stated before that I didn't think he deserved his ban, but post-ban Hank sucks hard. It's like he ditched the admittedly smallish effort that he once put into honest discussion and he's going to be 100% troll in order to punish whoever banned him.

Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 6/16/22 at 9:30 am to
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Eating Tide Pods was trendy too. How’d that turn out?
this is actually pretty illustrative.

Making videos about tide pods was indeed very trendy. But the best research says that exactly 86 people actually ate a tide pod, not the tens of thousands that most people assume.

It was a Darwin award, not a major social dilemma.
This post was edited on 6/16/22 at 9:32 am
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 9:35 am to
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Why do circus clowns wear their makeup when performing for kids? Certainly they could do magic tricks and tie balloon animals in street clothes, right? Because they are PERFORMERS. It is their NATURE.
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Last I checked, kids weren't putting dollar bills in a clown's thong in a gay bar with adults drinking around them.

And none of that happens at these library events. You are conflating these events with parents taking their children to an actual drag show, like that “lick it” event on Oak Lawn in Dallas.

In essence, you are comparing (1) a parent who takes his child to the multiplex movie theater that is willing to sell dad a beer with (2) the dad who takes his kid to a blood on the floor dive bar.

Is it theoretically possible that you are ruining the kid’s life forever by letting him see someone drink a beer at the cartoons? I suppose. But the kid is in actual physical danger at that bucket of blood bar.

I think it notable that these events have been ongoing for about 7 years, yet we have been presented evidence of exactly ONE instance of egregious bevavior (Sasha Sota in Minnesota 3 years ago). I suspect that event was the last at which Mr. Sota was allowed to appear.
This post was edited on 6/16/22 at 9:53 am
Posted by dukkbill
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 6/16/22 at 9:38 am to
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This organization tends to focus on libraries.


The organization does go to preschools.
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Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 9:42 am to
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This organization tends to focus on libraries.
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The organization does go to preschools.

Absolutely. No one said otherwise. Do you have any numbers?
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 9:47 am to
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You weren’t concerned by the explosion of transgender identification in adolescents because it was only approaching what you thought it should be. That’s the gist of it. If you want to dispute that, let me know.



No that's it. I definitely didn't say it was near 20% like some surveys suggest.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138932 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 9:57 am to
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And none of that happens at these library events. You are conflating these events with parents taking their children to an actual drag show, like that “lick it” event on Oak Lawn in Dallas.

And here's an even that BREC is putting on. Kids welcome. 16+ age "recommended"

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Drag Me to Brunch!
Why wait for Sunday to get your bestest and baddest friends together for brunch? Let's break all the rules and brunch on Saturday! High energy performances, amazing food and of course MIMOSAS! All ages are welcome that are ages 16+ and adults. We hope that you join us and become part of the party! Oh! And don’t forgot to bring some cash to tip the performers!
Please note, if you show up 20 minutes late that will be considered as a table forfeit and your table may be given to a waitlist customer. No refunds will be given out.
Recommended for Ages 16+ and adult (Alcohol Beverages Ages 21+ Only – Will be carded.)


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In essence, you are comparing (1) a parent who takes his child to the multiplex movie theater that is willing to sell dad a beer with (2) the dad who takes his kid to a blood on the floor dive bar.

Is it theoretically possible that you are ruining the kid’s life forever by letting him see someone drink a beer at the cartoons? I suppose. But the kid is in actual physical danger at that bucket of blood bar.


This is the absolute weakest attempt to justify this shite. There's literally nothing these sexual deviants can do that you won't defend. You're comparing going to a movie theater with a kid that happens to serve booze with taking a child to a highly sexualized performative event who's expressed intent is to expose children to a highly sexualized lifestyle. It's impressive to watch useful idiots such as yourself bend over backwards to justify this shite so you can feel good about yourself and do this just to annoy people who rightfully call it out for what it is. I'm 100% convinced that there is a direct proportionality between the amount that people consider themselves educated, open-minded, and enlightened and absolute, sheer stupidity. You really, really have to have heavy blinders on in order to take the stance you do on this shite. But, then again, you're an aggie, so I'm sure this is pretty normal shite for you anyway so you can't really look at this from an objective view.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55659 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 9:59 am to
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At preschools? I kind of doubt it. This organization tends to focus on libraries.

But, again, I doubt there are any numbers available. But the point of the post was not the actual number. Rather, the way each “side” would interpret whatever number might be accurate.



BS! Keep defending grooming.


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49 Drag Story Hour programs for 34 individual public schools


That's 1 organization alone in NYC. That's since Jan of this year!


PROGRAM PARTNERS

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DSH NYC does programming in partnership with the following libraries, schools, community spaces, and other venues around New York City.

?





Now on their list are the following:



Elementary Schools

Berkeley Carroll School

Brooklyn Friends School

Brooklyn Heights Montessori School

Chapin School

Dalton School

District 1 Community Education Council

Excellence Charter School

Foundry Learning School

Greene Hill School

Hunter College Elementary School

International School of Brooklyn

KIPPS Washington Heights Elementary School

Poly Prep Lower School

PS 10, Magnet School of Math, Science, and Design School

PS 11

PS 118

PS 11Q

PS 126

PS 132, The Conselyea School

PS 144

PS 146, The Brooklyn New School

PS 149

PS 150Q

PS 154, The Windsor Terrace School

PS 17Q

PS 2

PS 261

PS 295, The Studio School of Art and Culture

PS 3, The Charette School

PS 32

PS 333, Manhattan School for Children

PS 34, Franklin D. Roosevelt Elementary School

PS 362, The Neighborhood School

PS 368, Hamilton Heights School

PS 398

PS 42, Benjamin Altman School

PS 43

PS 452

PS 503

PS 56, Lewis H. Latimer School

PS 63, Star Academy

PS 83

Renaissance Charter Elementary School

Saint Ann's School

School at Columbia University, The





THAT is the Elementary schools alone... from 1 Organization... ONE!



Middle and High Schools

Academy of Medical Technology

Brooklyn Collaborative Middle School

Brooklyn Tech

Bronx High School for the Visual Arts

Bronx School for Law, Gov’t, and Justice

City Polytechnic High School

Computer School

College of Staten Island High School

Edward R. Murrow High School

E.S.M.T - I.S. 190

Fashion Industries High School

Frederick Douglass Academy

George Westinghouse High School

Grace Church School

High School of Fashion Industries

Hunter's Point Middle School

I.S. 93

Jamaica Gateway to the Sciences

Lower Manhattan Arts Academy

Metropolitan Expediationary Learning School

Mather Building Arts and Craftmanship High School

NYC Department of Education’s GSA Summit at Stuyvesant High School

MS 51

MS 582

MS 88

MS 88, Peter Rouget School

MS 245 The Computer School

MS 915

New Dorp High School

P186X Walter J. Damrosch School

Cooke Grammar School

Cooke School and Institute

High School for Environmental Studies (Day One RAPP program)

High School for Law Enforcement and Public Safety

Life Sciences Secondary School

Tompkins Square Middle School

Urban Assembly School for Criminal Justice

Renaissance Charter High School

Riverdale Country School

Simon Baruch Middle School





PRESCHOOLS!!!!



Bija Project

Bright Horizons Preschool, Roosevelt Island
Camp Alamander at the Brooklyn Free School
Chickpeas Preschool
Congregation Beth Elohim Preschool
Downing Street Preschool

Greenpoint Montessori

Henry Street Settlement Preschool

Jackson Heights Early Learning Center

Katmint Preschool

Maple Street Preschool

The Wonder School, Brooklyn



Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128846 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 10:01 am to
I know you know this.

He’s playing a shell-game. He doesn’t care if every elementary school had a drag queen running the library.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55659 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 10:03 am to
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quote:
This organization tends to focus on libraries.

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The organization does go to preschools.

Absolutely. No one said otherwise. Do you have any numbers?




Even when shown... you are defending it!


SICK!
Posted by dukkbill
Member since Aug 2012
1050 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 10:07 am to
I think others have Informed you, this is not a quantative matter, but a qualatative one. Your “numbers” are a misdirection on the issue being discussed.

You can find plenty of instances of the intersection of drag shows and areas associated with public instruction. See, e.g. Hempfield

I have not seen a mission statement by DQSh or relevant comparable organization that purports to focus on libraries. There is a target audience snd tvat demographic is preschool aged children. Your statement on their focus is incorrect snd misdirecting
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 10:08 am to
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Drag Me to Brunch!
The topic of the thread is story time at the library. Yes, I have no real problem with that sort of event.

And deep down you know it is innocuous, so you they to equate it with drag shows at Oak Lawn bars AND argue that I have supported THOSE events (I have not, so try and provide a link).

As far as the theater discussion, I will just assume that you do not understand analogies.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28182 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 10:10 am to
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And deep down you know it is innocuous,


Weren't you just whining about pop psychology? Damn, at least make an effort to be consistent within the same thread.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 10:13 am to
So, 12 events at preschools in New York. NY is approximately 7% of the US population, so we can roughly extrapolate that to 171 events nationwide … not far from the 200 that Bass and I were discussing.

Thx for the data.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138932 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 10:15 am to
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And deep down you know it is innocuous,

It's not innocuous whatsoever. They have a clearly stated and overt mission - to expose kids to drag and a sexually charged/promiscuous/high risk lifestyle.

Yes, drag queen story hour is the first step into telling kids that it's not only "normal" but it's to be celebrated and indulged.

I know you hate that I keep bring up the drag show in Dallas, but people in the crowd as well as the drag queens were asked the same question - do you think this encoures kids to do drag. People in the crowd said no, the drag queens said they hope it did. The people in the crowd are useful idiots such as yourself that help facilitate the agenda of the people carrying out these sexual grooming performances, but you're so caught up in trying to be the cool kid that you willfully ignore it and attack anyone for calling it out for what it really is. This is a very typical tactic for losers like you. For Christ's sake, kids aren't even off limits for you.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55659 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 10:17 am to
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This is the absolute weakest attempt to justify this shite. There's literally nothing these sexual deviants can do that you won't defend



How do you like the sickness of "Well they don't really go into PRESCHOOL" as if it's ok at any OTHER level.


Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28182 posts
Posted on 6/16/22 at 10:17 am to
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It's not innocuous whatsoever.


Gaslighting, my man. #17 on the list.

https://www.powerofpositivity.com/gaslighting-phrases-abusive-people-control/

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