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re: If Biden won 2020 legitimately

Posted on 7/20/26 at 2:42 pm to
Posted by CrystalPreserves
Member since May 2019
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Posted on 7/20/26 at 2:42 pm to
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We'll never know - that's by design.


If we’ll never know, then stop speaking as though you do.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 7/20/26 at 2:47 pm to
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But that in no way means we don't have a problem or we shouldn't fix it.


you should have kept reading... or perhaps I gave you too much credit and you truly are the useful idiot everyone in this thread says you are.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 7/20/26 at 2:55 pm to
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you truly are the useful idiot everyone in this thread says you are.
Useful? Who said that?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 7/20/26 at 4:21 pm to
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In general, it’s just not that weird for 2020 to be an outlier in basically every conceivable way.


Well, as long as we can just yell “outlier,” then everything makes sense.
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
Where the mongooses roam
Member since Jan 2009
40366 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 4:23 pm to
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Well, as long as we can just yell “outlier,” then everything makes sense.


They did a shitload more than just yell outlier, though.
Posted by CrystalPreserves
Member since May 2019
4938 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 4:42 pm to
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you should have kept reading... or perhaps I gave you too much credit and you truly are the useful idiot everyone in this thread says you are.


I kept reading.

Wanting tighter safeguards is fair. But that still doesn’t prove the election was stolen. You keep riding from “there may be a problem” straight into “therefore my conclusion is true,” and there’s a whole lot of empty trail between those two places.

As for “useful idiot,” and the appeal to others in the thread, that’s usually what a baw reaches for when the facts have stopped carrying him.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
21332 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 5:44 pm to
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In general, it’s just not that weird for 2020 to be an outlier in basically every conceivable way.



Nor is it that weird for 2020 to be corrupt in every conceivable way.
Posted by Jauquismos
Member since Jul 2023
1229 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 5:44 pm to
Yep. Which is why it was SO IMPORTANT that Trump never caved b/c now with the intel proof that it was rigged they would turn and say... but you yourself said it was fair. Especially that C^NT Leslie Stahl
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
Where the mongooses roam
Member since Jan 2009
40366 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 6:12 pm to
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Nor is it that weird for 2020 to be corrupt in every conceivable way.


No one has proven this despite having complete control of the US government and a large chunk of the Supreme Court for 2 years.

What are they waiting on?
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Member since Sep 2003
140607 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 8:04 pm to
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No one has proven this despite having complete control of the US government and a large chunk of the Supreme Court for 2 years. What are they waiting on?
4yrs under a corrupt administration is a long time to be allotted for successfully covering tracks. Did that happen? IDK. But assuming there is something to be proven, the 4yrs will not make it easier.

Allison Rice was murdered 4yrs ago. The fact the perp has not been identified does not change the fact a horrible crime occurred. How, why, and by whom, we don't know. Is the Allison Rice murder more, or less, likely to be solved after a 4yr interim?

Was the Biden Admin corrupt .... without question. Trump simply had the resources to fight it for a limited time. Had he lost the 2024 election, he would have eventually been taken down by any means necessary, despite his resources. There is no question about that. It was a process well under way.
Posted by CrystalPreserves
Member since May 2019
4938 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 8:24 pm to
Allie Rice’s murder is a proven crime with an unknown perpetrator. The election theft is an alleged crime whose occurrence has never been proven. You’re borrowing the certainty of the murder to manufacture certainty for the election claim.

Trump also challenged the election immediately, while the evidence was fresh, his administration controlled DOJ and DHS, and he had armies of lawyers, donors and political allies. There were recounts, audits, equipment examinations, investigations and lawsuits.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
36707 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 8:33 pm to
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had the resources to fight it for a limited time. Had he lost the 2024 election, he would have eventually been taken down by any means necessary, despite his resources. There is no question about that. It was a process well under way.


This cannot be understated. The corrupt DNC machine had just stolen an election and was about to assume power. What person in their right mind at DOJ or FBI would stand up to them in the face of career or actual suicide.
This post was edited on 7/20/26 at 8:34 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 7/20/26 at 8:41 pm to
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You’re borrowing the certainty of the murder to manufacture certainty for the election claim.
Negative.

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Trump also challenged the election immediately, while the evidence was fresh
He certainly did.

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he had armies of lawyers
That is an abject lie. As we have established, by mid-Nov 2020, the Democrat machine saw to it bamn that Trump's representation was limited.

Not exactly the stuff of John Adams.

Regardless of the anti-Americanism, it's something which Trump opponents fully accept and support.
Posted by CrystalPreserves
Member since May 2019
4938 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 8:58 pm to
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That is an abject lie. As we have established, by mid-Nov 2020, the Democrat machine saw to it bamn that Trump's representation was limited. Not exactly the stuff of John Adams. Regardless of the anti-Americanism, it's something which Trump opponents fully accept and support.


You’re arguing over the word “armies” because the larger fact is inconvenient.

Trump’s campaign and its allies filed dozens of lawsuits, pursued recounts, pursued injunctions, and challenged results across multiple states. Some lawyers withdrew. Others remained. He was not denied access to the courts.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
140607 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 9:03 pm to
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The corrupt DNC machine had just stolen an election and was about to assume power. What person in their right mind at DOJ or FBI would stand up to them in the face of career or actual suicide.
BINGO!

Incredibly, there are folks in this thread, including SFP whom I certainly respect (bring the DVs ), negating that fact.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
140607 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 9:18 pm to
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You’re arguing over the word “armies”
No sir!
First, I am not arguing anything. I am stating FACT. You lied!
Second, as we established, the reason there were no "armies" is not because the armies were not there to be had. It is because leftist partisan hacks undercut any individual or firm meeting obligations of law practice.

It would be analogous to a disgusting attempt by the AMA, and organized physician groups, attempting to rip license to practice from MDs based on their unwillingness to disregard the Hippocratic Oath.
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
Where the mongooses roam
Member since Jan 2009
40366 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 9:39 pm to
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The corrupt DNC machine had just stolen an election and was about to assume power.


Was about to assume power… as in, was not in power at the time of the election.

Yet they still managed to commit a nationwide conspiracy with hundred if not thousands of coordinated moving parts? Eh. That dog don’t really hunt.

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What person in their right mind at DOJ or FBI would stand up to them


It seemed to work out perfectly fine for Trump and Ted Cruz and a shitload of other bad faith actors. I don’t know why there would be any hesitance if they thought it was a legitimate possibility.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
36707 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 9:56 pm to
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Was about to assume power… as in, was not in power at the time of the election.


The point.


Your head.

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Yet they still managed to commit a nationwide conspiracy with hundred if not thousands of coordinated moving parts? Eh. That dog don’t really hunt.


Yes they did and they assumed power and spent the next 4 years coving their tracks.

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It seemed to work out perfectly fine for Trump and Ted Cruz and a shitload of other bad faith actors. I don’t know why there would be any hesitance if they thought it was a legitimate possibility.



Trump is a billionaire and Ted Cruz was one of the most powerful senators in Congress.

We’re talking about nameless/faceless people at the DOJ and FBI.


Look you can think it didn’t happen. That’s fine, it’s not an unreasonable position, I guess. But to act like a stolen election is beyond belief requires a religious level of faith.

We find people guilty of murder without a body or murder weapon and nothing but circumstantial evidence all the time. To behave like we need 81,000,000 videos of people forging votes in order to accept what is obvious is not a standard required by reasonable people when determining guilt.
But again, believe what you want, at the end of the day no one here is changing anyone’s mind at this point.
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
Where the mongooses roam
Member since Jan 2009
40366 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 10:01 pm to
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But again, believe what you want, at the end of the day no one here is changing anyone’s mind at this point.


On this, we agree.

I’ve beaten this horse enough, so I’ll leave it at that.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
36707 posts
Posted on 7/20/26 at 10:06 pm to
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On this, we agree. I’ve beaten this horse enough, so I’ll leave it at tha


So true! Me as well. Cheers my friend.
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