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If Alec Baldwin does his Trump impersonation in jail can Libs finally say they got Trump?
Posted on 1/20/23 at 7:31 am
Posted on 1/20/23 at 7:31 am
Maybe arrangements can be made so that Alec and Michael Avenatti can share a cell so they can form a new plan on how to get Trump
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Posted on 1/20/23 at 7:32 am to stout
Alec will probably get probation.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 7:34 am to stout
There is 0 chance he spends a day in prison.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 7:35 am to Indefatigable
Just like all of you said there was a 0 percent chance he would even be charged
Posted on 1/20/23 at 7:35 am to stout
Not it they are cell mates
Neither see the inside of a jail
Neither see the inside of a jail
Posted on 1/20/23 at 7:36 am to Tmcgin
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Neither see the inside of a jail
Neither who? Avenatti is already in jail
Posted on 1/20/23 at 8:12 am to stout
I don't understand the desire to see Baldwin locked up. He did not show up that morning and say, " I think I will shoot someone on the set for shits and giggles." If anything this is on the weapons master. I'm trying to find intent or even culpability pertaining to the law. Prosecutors would have to prove that there was negligence on the set AND prove that Baldwin himself was guilty of gross negligence. Maybe he has civil liability as producer, but criminally I'm not seeing it. He was relying on the weapons expert who was responsible for the firearm. If he was explicitly given assurances that the gun had blanks, or even if he had a reasonable expectation that the shells were duds because of the weapons master's " expertise" he is not guilty
Avenatti went out of his way to shake down companies and defraud his clients. You can dislike his politics, but reveling in this because he is an a-hole and he made fun of Trump and you think this is his just desserts is wrong.
The prosecutor and grand jury grossly overstepped on this.
Avenatti went out of his way to shake down companies and defraud his clients. You can dislike his politics, but reveling in this because he is an a-hole and he made fun of Trump and you think this is his just desserts is wrong.
The prosecutor and grand jury grossly overstepped on this.
This post was edited on 1/20/23 at 8:16 am
Posted on 1/20/23 at 8:28 am to KiwiHead
He picked up a gun, that he knew to be a real gun, did not check it to see if it was loaded or not, pointed it at someone and pulled the trigger.
Knowing the above to be true, you don’t think he deserves to be found guilty of negligent homicide? ??
Knowing the above to be true, you don’t think he deserves to be found guilty of negligent homicide? ??
Posted on 1/20/23 at 8:30 am to stout
Alec Baldwin killed a woman.
Trump never killed a woman.
Trump never killed a woman.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 8:31 am to stout
Alec Baldwin called his young daughter a “fat pig.”
Trump never called his daughter a fat pig.
Trump never called his daughter a fat pig.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 8:32 am to Indefatigable
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There is 0 chance he spends a day in prison.
Did he intentionally aim a gun at a person and pull the trigger?
When he pulled the trigger was it in self defense?
Murderers go to jail.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 9:46 am to MikeBRLA
Does not fit the definition. Plus if he was informed that the weapon was loaded with blanks. Now, pointing it at someone is a bad move you never point a functional weapon at someone from a safety aspect. But, what was live ammo doing on a movie set?
Negligent homicide.....maybe, he would have to been aware that there was real danger and that there was potential. But if his weapons master says to him and announces that there are blanks...essentially powder charges with no shot in the shell, his criminal liability in a personal sense is reduced greatly....maybe reckless endangerment or whatever the locals define it as at that level. Manslaughter is overcharging....even negligent homicide is pushing it
It would be interesting to see the gun. I'm going to suspect it was a double barrel side by side because they are saying it was cocked. I would like to know the age of the gun and it's recent maintenance history and the last time it was used before the incident.
If he was playing around.....pointing it at multiple people then he should get a sanction....an effective one. But was he picking up the gun and as he picks it up an accident happens,and the gun goes off, then I'm not sure there is criminal intent. No intent equals an accident( maybe). It certainly reduces culpability especially with more than one person handling the gun and the environment they were in.
It's not as black and white as many would like.
Negligent homicide.....maybe, he would have to been aware that there was real danger and that there was potential. But if his weapons master says to him and announces that there are blanks...essentially powder charges with no shot in the shell, his criminal liability in a personal sense is reduced greatly....maybe reckless endangerment or whatever the locals define it as at that level. Manslaughter is overcharging....even negligent homicide is pushing it
It would be interesting to see the gun. I'm going to suspect it was a double barrel side by side because they are saying it was cocked. I would like to know the age of the gun and it's recent maintenance history and the last time it was used before the incident.
If he was playing around.....pointing it at multiple people then he should get a sanction....an effective one. But was he picking up the gun and as he picks it up an accident happens,and the gun goes off, then I'm not sure there is criminal intent. No intent equals an accident( maybe). It certainly reduces culpability especially with more than one person handling the gun and the environment they were in.
It's not as black and white as many would like.
This post was edited on 1/20/23 at 9:48 am
Posted on 1/20/23 at 9:46 am to stout
Posted on 1/20/23 at 9:49 am to KiwiHead
quote:It's because he's an a-hole. I agree that this is probably overcharging, as it was a negligent accident, but he also was lying about not pulling the trigger. It's like seeing a guy who beats his wife with no repercussions get hit by a bus.
I don't understand the desire to see Baldwin locked up.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 9:50 am to stout
There is an article at I think the Daily Mail UK that explains how he won't actually serve a day in jail.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 10:04 am to KiwiHead
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Plus if he was informed that the weapon was loaded with blanks
False. The correct procedure is for the armorer to check the weapon and then had it to the actor once cleared. That didn’t happen.
Baldwin picked up the weapon on his own, did not check it, pointed it at a woman and pulled the trigger. Guilty all day long.
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I'm going to suspect it was a double barrel side by side
What are you talking about? It was a revolver.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 10:50 am to MikeBRLA
Not according to reports
Sorry about thinking it was a shotgun
Prop master retrieves guns from a safety in a van on the set.
Hands gun to Gutierrez- Reed who sets them up
Both Gutierrez Reed and Halls( First Asst. Director) are supposed to check the guns before handing them to the actors. Gutierrez Reed is supposed to show the gun to Hall so as to check the barrel for abstraction and spin it to see the content of its chambers.
Apparently someone calls out "cold gun"
Which means no live rounds. But this is not the case and there seems to be a dispute if Gutierrez- Reed had spun the drum so Halls could check every chamber and every round.
Halls apparently can't remember if he did.
Halls hands gun to Baldwin and announces on the set "cold gun"
Baldwin begins to practice his draw and this is where the dispute comes in.
This case could hinge more on the testimony from Nicholas Cage who had a similar incident happen on a set of a movie he was working on where Hall and Gutierrez- Reed were present and operating in the same essential capacity.
Part of the problem is was the safety process enough. Was Baldwin reckless in his "practice" of the draw?
Looking more at it, I would say Baldwin has very limited criminal culpability, if any, with these procedures in place.
Sorry about thinking it was a shotgun
Prop master retrieves guns from a safety in a van on the set.
Hands gun to Gutierrez- Reed who sets them up
Both Gutierrez Reed and Halls( First Asst. Director) are supposed to check the guns before handing them to the actors. Gutierrez Reed is supposed to show the gun to Hall so as to check the barrel for abstraction and spin it to see the content of its chambers.
Apparently someone calls out "cold gun"
Which means no live rounds. But this is not the case and there seems to be a dispute if Gutierrez- Reed had spun the drum so Halls could check every chamber and every round.
Halls apparently can't remember if he did.
Halls hands gun to Baldwin and announces on the set "cold gun"
Baldwin begins to practice his draw and this is where the dispute comes in.
This case could hinge more on the testimony from Nicholas Cage who had a similar incident happen on a set of a movie he was working on where Hall and Gutierrez- Reed were present and operating in the same essential capacity.
Part of the problem is was the safety process enough. Was Baldwin reckless in his "practice" of the draw?
Looking more at it, I would say Baldwin has very limited criminal culpability, if any, with these procedures in place.
This post was edited on 1/20/23 at 10:51 am
Posted on 1/20/23 at 11:25 am to stout
As much as I detest AB I'm not sure if I agree with a prosecution of him in this case.
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