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If Alabama hated Moore why did he make it out of the Primaries
Posted on 12/13/17 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 12/13/17 at 1:42 pm
If Alabama hated Moore why did he make it out of the Primaries? I just don't understand how this guy made it out of the primaries only to crap the bed so bad.
Can someone from the state of Alabama help me understand if he was such a horrible candidate why did they vote Moore over Strange. Do yall just hate TRUMP that much?
Can someone from the state of Alabama help me understand if he was such a horrible candidate why did they vote Moore over Strange. Do yall just hate TRUMP that much?
Posted on 12/13/17 at 1:43 pm to Vood
I believe it was because of only something like 15% turnout in the primary.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 1:45 pm to Vood
30% of Alabama doesn't hate Moore. Strange went too hard after Brooks and was a terrible candidate. Many people also tied him to Bentley. Brooks supporters then went to Moore in the runoff. Add to it relatively low turnout.
It was a perfect storm for Moore.
It was a perfect storm for Moore.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 1:45 pm to Darth_Vader
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15% turnout in the primary
This. Bama voters had become apathetic and were cocky that the state would go R no matter what. I think they have all been shaken awake and hopefully we will have some half decent candidates next time. This is Bama so I won't get my hopes up too high, but good lord you could grab a hobo out of the intermodal yard and do better than Moore.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 1:49 pm to FairhopeTider
Moore has been hated by every non-evangelical republican for over a decade.
But the GOP backed Strange in the primary instead of Brooks, which was dumb because Alabamians were sick of Strange because he cut a deal with the governor that was kicked out of office to get the senate seat.
If the GOP backed Brooks he would be your senator right now. You can basically blame Mitch McConnell.
But the GOP backed Strange in the primary instead of Brooks, which was dumb because Alabamians were sick of Strange because he cut a deal with the governor that was kicked out of office to get the senate seat.
If the GOP backed Brooks he would be your senator right now. You can basically blame Mitch McConnell.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 1:50 pm to FairhopeTider
That makes sense then. So Brooks would have won easily? What did Mitch McConnell have against Brooks?
This post was edited on 12/13/17 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 12/13/17 at 1:50 pm to Vood
Moore has a fervent base of voters. They make up only about 20% of Republican voters, but they also turn out in droves for any election Moore is in. So with so many candidates in the primary field, it was clear there was going to be a runoff, and Moore was likely to be in that runoff because of his base. So that left everyone else vying for that other spot.
Luther Strange was appointed by then-governor Bentley under shady circumstances. Strange was AG and was supposed to be investigating Bentley for ethics violations. He slow played the investigation, and it gave the appearance he did so in a trade off for the Senate appointment. So he had stink attached to him.
Mo Brooks just didn't have appeal outside his North Alabama congressional district. He and Strange both ran awful campaigns centered around which one could glom themselves to Trump more. Strange beat out Brooks for second in the primary because of his Birmimngham and Montgomery connections.
So it came down to Strange and Moore. Neither had very broad appeal, for very different reasons. Turnout was low, which favored Moore because of his base.
Luther Strange was appointed by then-governor Bentley under shady circumstances. Strange was AG and was supposed to be investigating Bentley for ethics violations. He slow played the investigation, and it gave the appearance he did so in a trade off for the Senate appointment. So he had stink attached to him.
Mo Brooks just didn't have appeal outside his North Alabama congressional district. He and Strange both ran awful campaigns centered around which one could glom themselves to Trump more. Strange beat out Brooks for second in the primary because of his Birmimngham and Montgomery connections.
So it came down to Strange and Moore. Neither had very broad appeal, for very different reasons. Turnout was low, which favored Moore because of his base.
This post was edited on 12/13/17 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 12/13/17 at 1:51 pm to Vood
He made it out of the primaries because he has a core base of zealots that are just like him. You also had a large faction of the state that didn’t like Luther, and Mo Brooks was a somewhat of an unknown. It also didn’t help Mo’s case that he publicly grandstanded against Trump late in the 2016 election. So combine a low voter turnout in the primaries, and two guys canceling each other out and you get Roy and his band of zealots there to capitalize.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 1:52 pm to Vood
low turnout in the primary because strange isn't well liked either and was appointed by a governor who had to resign.
also there weren't allegations of sexual impropriety. enough people found them credible. I don't like moore's persona but if the entire national media was reporting it non stop he wouldn't have won the primary
but I see what you're getting at, voters felt peer pressure of sort from the rest of the country and it likely had a big effect. I don't like invalidating people's reasons for voting though. people made their decision and jones is the senator in Alabama. it's not the end of the world.
also there weren't allegations of sexual impropriety. enough people found them credible. I don't like moore's persona but if the entire national media was reporting it non stop he wouldn't have won the primary
but I see what you're getting at, voters felt peer pressure of sort from the rest of the country and it likely had a big effect. I don't like invalidating people's reasons for voting though. people made their decision and jones is the senator in Alabama. it's not the end of the world.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 1:59 pm to Vood
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What did Mitch McConnell have against Brooks?
Nothing, absolutely nothing, Strange had proven he would be a yes man for Trump. You always back the incumbent when they have proven they follow the leader in your party.
This is on Trump, but I don't blame Trump, because loyalty like Strange had shown should be pursued.
Trump just REALLY underestimated how much Alabama tied Strange to the whole Governor situation and really disliked him. That's really it.
Moore also has a very very dedicated base
This post was edited on 12/13/17 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 12/13/17 at 2:03 pm to BaddestAndvari
So did Moore perform as expected and Jones got more support that anyone could have expected or did Moore not get the turn out due to the allegations?
Posted on 12/13/17 at 2:06 pm to FairhopeTider
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30% of Alabama doesn't hate Moore. Strange went too hard after Brooks and was a terrible candidate. Many people also tied him to Bentley. Brooks supporters then went to Moore in the runoff. Add to it relatively low turnout.
It was a perfect storm for Moore.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 2:06 pm to Vood
Moore underperformed a little, even in a few of his prime counties/districts. Jones overperformed in almost every one of his key counties/districts.
Like Trump's election, it was a perfect storm for Jones. He hit every key to victory he needed to hit, including a coupe of long shot one.
Like Trump's election, it was a perfect storm for Jones. He hit every key to victory he needed to hit, including a coupe of long shot one.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 2:07 pm to Vood
quote:It basically went as expected. Moore got his votes he always gets and tons of other republicans that have always hated Moore voted for Jones. Nothing about last night was surprising.
So did Moore perform as expected and Jones got more support that anyone could have expected or did Moore not get the turn out due to the allegations?
Posted on 12/13/17 at 2:09 pm to Vood
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So did Moore perform as expected
He got his insane zealots + some
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Jones got more support that anyone could have expected
Jones underperformed the number of votes casted for Clinton in 2016
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Moore not get the turn out due to the allegations?
The allegations might have been what pushed it over the edge: but I don't think it was the same reason for his loss, him being a creep had much more to do with that
Posted on 12/13/17 at 2:11 pm to BaddestAndvari
quote:if that were the perception of voters, strange would have won.
Strange had proven he would be a yes man for Trump.
strange said brooks wasn't pro trump. moore said strange wasn't pro trump.
republican voters are justifiably skeptical of who is going to do what they promised. strange was painted by moore and bannon (and maybe it's true, I don't know) that strange would be Alabama's McCain, flake, corker, etc.
it's no secret that the roy moore's of the world can win because republicans have routinely failed to do what they say...don't believe me, look who is in the white house. at a certain point you stop giving a shite about optics and go for the results and you'll make compromises to do it. I would have voted for roy moore. a guy wearing a vest and cowboy hat riding a horse to the polling station is never anyone's option a, he's usually they're option z.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 2:13 pm to Vood
just looking at things objectively
the reason moore lost is the MSM trashed him enough with false aligations and lies that the hard core bible thumpers stayed home and a large portion who were on the fence about moore but didnt want jones to win, they just didnt vote after the reports moore would still win easily, so they just stayed home thinking it wouldnt matter.
then there are those with protest write in votes who wanted to be cute thinking there was still no way jones wins and these same people will be the ones screaming the loudest as jones proceeds to frick them over with every vote he makes in office.
add to that the large number of democrats poured into the state to make damn sure every jones voter voted and you get a very narrow loss by moore.
it will be very interesting to see how many more votes there are still to count, but how can they call an election without all the military votes yet to be still counted?
the reason moore lost is the MSM trashed him enough with false aligations and lies that the hard core bible thumpers stayed home and a large portion who were on the fence about moore but didnt want jones to win, they just didnt vote after the reports moore would still win easily, so they just stayed home thinking it wouldnt matter.
then there are those with protest write in votes who wanted to be cute thinking there was still no way jones wins and these same people will be the ones screaming the loudest as jones proceeds to frick them over with every vote he makes in office.
add to that the large number of democrats poured into the state to make damn sure every jones voter voted and you get a very narrow loss by moore.
it will be very interesting to see how many more votes there are still to count, but how can they call an election without all the military votes yet to be still counted?
This post was edited on 12/13/17 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 12/13/17 at 2:14 pm to BaddestAndvari
quote:people tend to believe the worst things said about you when they don't like you to begin with.
The allegations might have been what pushed it over the edge: but I don't think it was the same reason for his loss, him being a creep had much more to do with that
so the lesson is, despite how much people hate the progressive left, don't run unlikeable or weird people. I already believed that, but still it's Alabama. I thought moore would win by at least 10
Posted on 12/13/17 at 2:15 pm to BaddestAndvari
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Nothing, absolutely nothing, Strange had proven he would be a yes man for Trump. You always back the incumbent when they have proven they follow the leader in your party.
This is on Trump, but I don't blame Trump, because loyalty like Strange had shown should be pursued.
Trump just REALLY underestimated how much Alabama tied Strange to the whole Governor situation and really disliked him. That's really it.
Moore also has a very very dedicated base
Pretty much nailed it.
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