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re: If Abortion isn't murder then why do people get charged with murder/manslaughter when they
Posted on 11/21/23 at 5:43 pm to wackatimesthree
Posted on 11/21/23 at 5:43 pm to wackatimesthree
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Yep.
Of course you did. You're a moron.
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Posted on 11/21/23 at 5:57 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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them.....killing children at birth is next level insanity
Where is this legal?
Don't know, never said it was, I'm saying there are some Dims/Groomers and other pro death advocates that believe a woman should have the right to kill the child up to and including birth.
I do remember some governor, could have been the VA governor before Youngkin who was on tape saying it should be legal to abort a child up to and including birth, and there was some woman at a congressional hearing not long ago making the same argument.
This post was edited on 11/21/23 at 7:25 pm
Posted on 11/21/23 at 6:03 pm to Bass Tiger
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Don't know, never said it was, I'm saying there are some Dims/Groomers and other pro death advocates that believe a woman should have the right to kill the child up to and including birth.
Right...and I responded:
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They're just as crazy as the "contraceptives are murder" crowd.
Your reply:
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Maybe, but there will never be a restriction on contraceptives for people who are wanting them.....killing children at birth is next level insanity.
So two things that will never happen. I guess we're stuck at...who gives a shite.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 6:11 pm to Topisawtiger
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agree with everything you said. But if someone is pregnant and has an abortion then that child was unwanted, however if a pregnant mother who intends to have that child is murdered then in their eyes that child was wanted thus it is murder and not an abortion. Wow I know but that's just the way they think.
You can’t have both
Posted on 11/21/23 at 6:16 pm to idlewatcher
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You can’t have both
Maybe not within whatever religious or moral belief system you subscribe to.
But within a secular legal regime yes, you can. And I know that because it’s the situation in a large number of jurisdictions.
This post was edited on 11/21/23 at 6:17 pm
Posted on 11/21/23 at 6:22 pm to Tiger BTT
I asked this question when I called Moon Griffon.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 6:24 pm to Tiger BTT
You’re talking about a relatively recent revision to criminal law to enhance charging options and sentences. It really doesn’t convey personhoo.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 6:27 pm to VOR
quote:Whoa! "Murder" does not convey personhood?
It really doesn’t convey personhoo.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 6:38 pm to NC_Tigah
Of in this case. You’re talking about two different things. The amended
Criminal code is limited to that specific circumstance.
Criminal code is limited to that specific circumstance.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 7:21 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Maybe, but there will never be a restriction on contraceptives for people who are wanting them.....killing children at birth is next level insanity.
So two things that will never happen. I guess we're stuck at...who gives a shite.
Quick Google search of current Oregon abortion regulations. ......not that it changes anything other than proving your post is incorrect.
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If you're in Oregon and need an abortion
Abortion is legal throughout pregnancy in Oregon – there is no ban or limit on abortion in Oregon based on how far along in pregnancy you are.
There is no law that specifically requires you to notify or get consent from a parent to get an abortion in Oregon. But Oregon law does require that anyone under the age of 15 get consent from a parent for any type of medical treatment in Oregon. That means that if you’re under 15, you’ll need to get consent from a parent to get an abortion in Oregon. If you're 16 or 17 you don't need parental consent to get an abortion in Oregon.
Use our abortion provider search to find a provider. If you’re having trouble getting an appointment or need other help related to getting an abortion, call the NAF (National Abortion Federation) Hotline at 1-800-772-9100.
I guess Oregon allows the termination of life up tp the point of birth.....they're probably lying, false advertising.
This post was edited on 11/21/23 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 11/21/23 at 7:25 pm to Indefatigable
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Ok. The people of whatever state your hypo takes place in, via their elected representatives, made it so that abortion isn’t murder. That is why it’s not murder. Murder is what the law of whatever jurisdiction says it is. It really is that simple.
So your standard is all laws are the final arbiter of morality?
I have a meme for you:
There were plenty of laws allowing slavery, did that make it morally ok?
Posted on 11/21/23 at 7:29 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Well, no. No, it isn't.
I’m curious to know why the people who have replaced religion with science seem to reject science on this issue.
They make up arbitrary definitions of when life begins on the whims of politicians and what is convenient. But there is no scientific reason for any of their standards. If there were, there would be an agreed upon time when a person becomes a person to match these made up standards.
Of course, we all know the answer is a person becomes a person at conception, it’s a scientific fact. But in this case the science is inconvenient so we just throw it out.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 7:31 pm to Tiger BTT
It’s only murder when the mother hasn’t consented to have her baby killed.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 7:42 pm to Bass Tiger
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unborn child
An unborn child is just a very premature baby.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 7:46 pm to Tiger BTT
Abortion is murder.
The mom having the abortion is a murderer.
The doctor is a murderer.
They should all be arrested and tried as such.
/thread
The mom having the abortion is a murderer.
The doctor is a murderer.
They should all be arrested and tried as such.
/thread
Posted on 11/21/23 at 7:52 pm to Bass Tiger
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up to and including birth
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killing children at birth
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Quick Google search of current Oregon abortion regulations. ......
I'm shocked to see you fail.
Again.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 7:54 pm to ShinerHorns
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The libs know it’s murder. They just don’t care.
This.
Posted on 11/21/23 at 7:55 pm to RebelExpress38
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replaced religion with science
Always amusing to watch someone flail on this one.
Thanks for making sure we didn't miss out on it here.
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reject science
Feel free to lay it out in support of your position.
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Of course, we all know the answer is a person becomes a person at conception
Posted on 11/21/23 at 8:54 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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up to and including birth
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killing children at birth
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Quick Google search of current Oregon abortion regulations. ......
I'm shocked to see you fail.
Again.
The way the law seems to read is a child could be killed legally at 9 months while in the process of being birthed, in other words, the child is viable and full term.....but semantics. The child could be subject to lawful termination simply because of location.....30 minutes later and it's considered illegal? Seems pretty insane.
This post was edited on 11/21/23 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 11/21/23 at 9:47 pm to Tiger BTT
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If Abortion isn't murder then why do people get charged with murder/manslaughter when they either cause the premeditated/intentional death of an unborn child (murder), or the accidental death of an unborn child(manslaughter).
I don't think they do in prochoice states.
Generally those laws are pushed in place by prolife groups.
I agree with the laws, but the contradiction you're seeing is just both sides getting whatever legal wins they can.
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