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re: Identity politics is partially responsible for white nationalism.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 5:47 am to Patrick O Rly
Posted on 3/16/19 at 5:47 am to Patrick O Rly
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gravitate towards white nationalism?
What, exactly is 'white nationalism?"
I understand 'nationalism' and I understand 'white supremacy' but I come up blank when juxtaposing 'white' with 'nationalism'
Now IF people are really aiming at "Western Civilization" with the pejorative of "white nationalism" then I say =
Western civilization is the crowning jewel of human evolution. And I proudly attach myself to that ideal.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 6:38 am to Patrick O Rly
Racism =white nationalism
Posted on 3/16/19 at 6:42 am to Patrick O Rly
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and white straight males are made to be the archetype of all that threatens your identity, then it would follow that young men would gravitate towards white nationalism?
To a greater degree, this also happens in prison life. A lone white male is almost forced to join a group like the Aryian Nation solely for self preservation.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 6:56 am to xiv
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The backlash against Brown v Board of Education (and literally every other Civil Rights movement)—100% identity politics.
How do you NOT know the difference between progressing as a society towards justice, a mantra of Dr. King, and pandering to segments of society based solely on race, etc. WHILE DIRECTLY and UNAPOLOGETICALLY marginalizing and disparaging another segment (whites).
Posted on 3/16/19 at 6:57 am to ChineseBandit58
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What, exactly is 'white nationalism?"
I hate how we've allowed the left to label nationalism as some racist movement. There is nothing wrong with putting your country first.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 7:00 am to xiv
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Literally every person who bitches about identity politics is guilty of it himself
Wrong.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 7:01 am to xiv
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those in power—virtually all of whom were of european ancestry and identified themselves as white
You have just identified the 'group' that produced Western Civilization.
This group happened to be caucasian.
Is it the position of the modern left-wing radicals that these 'white' people 1500 years ago should have had the prescience to understand snowflakes in 2019 would be pissed of that the 'white' people were responsible for all the greatness of the modern world>?
And that these developers of wester civilization should have said = "hold on hoss - we better keep groveling in our feudal state and wait for some black or mongolian or asian or inuit or aborigine group came along to pull the human race out of poverty and misery and ignorance.
Is THAT what is troubling you?? That these "white" devils (spit-growl-seethe) were the ones who dragged mankind out of the morass??
And btw - there is still a chance for you to escape this 'white nationalist' debacle = there are many nations in Africa where you can get away from this madness - some in the middle east also. Closer to home you might want to try Cuba or Venezuela, although you may encounter some white devils there too.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 7:01 am to Patrick O Rly
You misspelled primarily
Posted on 3/16/19 at 7:01 am to xiv
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I’m draping the gold medal around Jim Crow’s neck
Jim Crow ended half a century ago, before many of the people having this conversation were even born. Move on.
This post was edited on 3/16/19 at 7:03 am
Posted on 3/16/19 at 7:13 am to Dead End
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I hate how we've allowed the left to label nationalism as some racist movement. There is nothing wrong with putting your country first.
precisely
I am so proud to have been born in America - and enjoy a >80% lineage that came to this land in the 1600s. My latest possible 'immigrant' ancestor came to America in 1830. I actually have real Native American ancestors, dating back to early 1600s.
But never in my life have I been taught that 'white people,' as a group, are better than 'others,' as a group. I have always made decisions and opinions based on an individual's actions - and that includes the groups that they decide to associate yourself with.
If you voluntarily join a group that says skin color is the primary quality that must be considered, then I judge your decision to be part of THAT group to be stupid, and will endeavor to have noting more to do with you - except make fun of your ignorance and moral failure.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 7:47 am to Patrick O Rly
Identitarians are in a battle to pull us middle folk to one side or the other.
Far left identitarians have been at it for ages, you're now seeing far right identitarians fight back to avoid losing too much ground.
One side screams evil racist nazi fascist and the other screams they took er jobs and want yer guns.
Far left identitarians have been at it for ages, you're now seeing far right identitarians fight back to avoid losing too much ground.
One side screams evil racist nazi fascist and the other screams they took er jobs and want yer guns.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 8:32 am to ChineseBandit58
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If you voluntarily join a group that says skin color is the primary quality that must be considered, then I judge your decision to be part of THAT group to be stupid, and will endeavor to have noting more to do with you - except make fun of your ignorance and moral failure.
Well said.
There's a push on both left and fringe right to force white people into some kind of identity, which really hasn't existed outside of regional associations. The background and ancestry of white people is more varied than the various races.
I grew up identifying more with country black folk than urban white folk.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 8:36 am to RogerTheShrubber
Roger
Identity = ego
The whole topic is about identification with one's own self, and qualities.
Seizing upon one such quality works.
Male
White
Identity = ego
The whole topic is about identification with one's own self, and qualities.
Seizing upon one such quality works.
Male
White
Posted on 3/16/19 at 8:39 am to Patrick O Rly
No, leftist propaganda is entirely responsible for "white nationalism".
Posted on 3/16/19 at 8:46 am to Patrick O Rly
Hillary tried using identity politics to win in 2016 and it backfired on her greatly.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 8:51 am to CelticDog
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Identity = ego
The whole topic is about identification with one's own self, and qualities.
Identity politics focuses on the collective, not the self. It's organizing based on superficial features. Both right and left have had their share.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 8:55 am to ecb
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ecb
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Racism =white nationalism
Posted on 3/16/19 at 8:57 am to gthog61
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No, leftist propaganda is entirely responsible for "white nationalism".
Outside of fringe groups, I've never heard anyone call themselves a white nationalist. The term is almost exclusively used by left wing journalists.
Propaganda is powerful to those with limited reasoning skills.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 9:14 am to TbirdSpur2010
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Goddamn I can't imagine life in that era.
America's evolution on race in such a short time has been nothing short of an unmitigated modern miracle.
The people practicing identity politics now are a direct threat to undo that progress
It must be hard to comprehend - It is hard for me to comprehend and I lived it. Born in 1938, I was raised in the era of segregated schools and service. I never knew any difference and once asked my dad = "why do coloreds have to use a different bathroom?' His answer was short = 'hygiene.' And that satisfied my 10 yr old mind.
Never once did I hear any animosity between the races. Of course we lived 7 miles from town on a farm. My dad (who was born in 1894) did tell me of the KKK and how he would never be associated with them. He told me a story of when he was a young man working as foreman of a group of timber cutters - back in the days of cross cut saws. Their job was to clear cut an area. two man crews were assigned a 'lane' and the lane each day was drawn by chance. Dad had black sawyers as part of his crew and one of his cousins was also in the crew. One day they drew their 'lanes' and his cousin drew a lane that went thru a nasty area of swamp. He demanded that my dad switch him to the lane drawn by the black crew and put them in the swampy lane. He fired his cousin on the spot.
When he told me about that in the early 50s, my thought was "well of course, that was the right thing to do.' It was only decades later that I realized what a significant event it was in that era and my pride in my dad increased. I never knew he to do any racist act, but I am sure he would be held up today as an example of 'virulent racism'
Was there 'racist' language? = of course, but I never detected any enmity. Unknown people were referred to by their group identity all the time with no rancor. Poles, dagos. n-----, japs, yankees, krauts, redbones, jews, spicks, aggies, etc = mostly in the vein of jokes.
In my area there was not any racially motivated event that took place before I left in 1956.
And of course, when school desegregation became an issue in the early 50s, my first reaction was 'why?" But the violence that erupted thru many parts of the south quickly convinced me that 'this is wrong' and had to be stopped. I listened to the wisdom of Martin Luther King and found nothing that I could disagree with on a rational basis.
It is certainly uncomfortable to be made aware that your entire world-view all your life had been wrong. My conversion was not instantaneous, but it was totally accomplished within 2 years from first introduction to the problem.
My only animus today is towards the purveyors of this group identity bullshite, namely the entire cabal of DNC/MSM/academe/entertainment/hightech. I hate these mfers - the are evil. Those who are influenced by them are primarily ignorant and apathetic - they are pathetic. If they cannot recognize they are being sold a rash of lies within a couple of years, they are too dumb to be allowed to vote.
This post was edited on 3/16/19 at 9:15 am
Posted on 3/16/19 at 9:21 am to Patrick O Rly
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I don't know how you can come to a different conclusion.
If the defining factor of who you are is your race, sexuality and the like, and white straight males are made to be the archetype of all that threatens your identity, then it would follow that young men would gravitate towards white nationalism?
I have zero doubt this perception is part of it. I also have zero doubt that white males have anything to complain about. It's like Christians whining about the war on christianity.. complete garbage.
Frankly.. most people in the US have virtually nothing to complain about.
This post was edited on 3/16/19 at 9:33 am
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