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Patrick O Rly
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Identity politics is partially responsible for white nationalism.
I don't know how you can come to a different conclusion.

If the defining factor of who you are is your race, sexuality and the like, and white straight males are made to be the archetype of all that threatens your identity, then it would follow that young men would gravitate towards white nationalism?

If they can do nothing right except grovel and prostrate themselves for things they have no control over, then why wouldn't a big frick you I'll just stick to my own tribe become attractive?

Seriously if you peddle identity politics you really can't get upset over white nationalist.

And honestly I think they're both weak minded.


Dale51
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re: Identity politics is partially responsible for white nationalism.
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Identity politics is partially responsible for white nationalism.


What is that, and were do you see this? What behaviors are you noticing?


RogerTheShrubber
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re: Identity politics is partially responsible for white nationalism.
Any kind of identity politics is collectivism. It's the stuff we should be trying to get away from.


crazy4lsu
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re: Identity politics is partially responsible for white nationalism.
Identity politics is a race to the bottom, and coincidentally, avoids criticizing the elite policy making class in the country, who have, in my opinion, been insulated from the consequences of their decisions for a long time.


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Patrick O Rly
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re: Identity politics is partially responsible for white nationalism.
I agree. Collectivism is a murderous ideology.


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TbirdSpur2010
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re: Identity politics is partially responsible for white nationalism.
Identity politics is poison to the political discourse. Always has been, always will be.


Lsupimp
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re: Identity politics is partially responsible for white nationalism.
Yeah, that’s the drum I’ve been banging for years and years and years. Identity Politics begets Identity Politics. If you villainize somebody you risk radicalizing him. It’s why we have a burgeoning White Identity movement, a Men’s Rights movement etc. They are reactionary movements.

Likewise if you tell someone that their traditions, principles and ideals aren’t worth defending, you risk them doubling down in defense of those things. Strong men ( as opposed to soy boys) don’t just roll over when you try to replace their dearest virtues with Progressive Orthodoxy.

Identity Politics is all about dividing into tribes. The idiots that push this crap think they are only building their tribe but they are actually building the enemy tribe too.



TbirdSpur2010
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re: Identity politics is partially responsible for white nationalism.
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Identity Politics is all about dividing into tribes. The idiots that push this crap think they are only building their tribe but they are actually building the enemy tribe too.


Well said.

It's cultural marxism. No one actually wins at the end of the day.


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Ebbandflow
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re: Identity politics is partially responsible for white nationalism.
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I don't know how you can come to a different conclusion. 

If the defining factor of who you are is your race, sexuality and the like, and white straight males are made to be the archetype of all that threatens your identity, then it would follow that young men would gravitate towards white nationalism? 


So by that loose connection would you say white nationalism is what's responsible for that shooting? That's how your logic would follow


Lsupimp
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re: Identity politics is partially responsible for white nationalism.
I would say that shooter was a homicidal sociopath in search of an Ideology to cloak his murderous rage in. And I would also say that Identity Politics kill a lot of people including my friend Brad Garofalo a few summers ago followed shortly thereafter by the attempt on my LSU classmate Steve Scalise. People will happily kill for their tribe.


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TbirdSpur2010
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re: Identity politics is partially responsible for white nationalism.
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So by that loose connection would you say white nationalism is what's responsible for that shooting? That's how your logic would follow


Actually, logic would follow that a crazy criminal was responsible for that shooting.

But logic ain't your strong suit. Racism is. Stick to that, mijo


xiv
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re: Identity politics is partially responsible for white nationalism.
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Seriously if you peddle identity politics you really can't get upset over white nationalist.

Pretty ignorant post all around.

People who aren’t straight and white, as far as this country is concerned, were identified as different and treated differently by those in power—virtually all of whom were of european ancestry and identified themselves as white— as recent as in modern times. Some wear their labels with pride now, but they didn’t invent the labels.

The “others” didn’t start this. They took ownership of labels that they were issued, and the people who are bothered by that are pathetic.


crazy4lsu
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re: Identity politics is partially responsible for white nationalism.
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Some wear their labels with pride now, but they didn’t invent the labels.

The “others” didn’t start this. They took ownership of labels that they were issued, and the people who are bothered by that are pathetic.


This is pretty much true. Which is why suggesting identity politics is a new invention always rings hollow to me.


Lsupimp
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re: Identity politics is partially responsible for white nationalism.
Lol.


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RogerTheShrubber
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re: Identity politics is partially responsible for white nationalism.
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They took ownership of labels that they were issued, and the people who are bothered by that are pathetic.


It's time for them to grow out of it. It's the only way they'll ever succeed on an individual



HailHailtoMichigan!
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re: Identity politics is partially responsible for white nationalism.
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xiv
So, to phrase your post differently,

"but they did it first!"


Lsupimp
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re: Identity politics is partially responsible for white nationalism.
But Muh Tribe ?


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xiv
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re: Identity politics is partially responsible for white nationalism.
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This is pretty much true. Which is why suggesting identity politics is a new invention always rings hollow to me.
Yep. The backlash against Brown v Board of Education (and literally every other Civil Rights movement)—100% identity politics.

Opposition to gay marriage—identity politics.

Opposition to Muslim immigration—identity politics.

Literally every person who bitches about identity politics is guilty of it himself.


deeprig9
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re: Identity politics is partially responsible for white nationalism.
Thank you for articulating what I've been trying to say for years but unable to put it into a couple sentences like you just did.


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Lsupimp
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re: Identity politics is partially responsible for white nationalism.
Again lol.


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