re: I wonder how oppressed women feel

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Did you read the whiny article I posted a couple of pages back?

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i'm reading it while i'm prepping lunch

it's mixing first wave and 3rd wave feminism as if they're the same thing

they're just saying "you stupid bitch. you owe first wave feminism respect, so that means NOW you have to follow our 3rd wave feminism b/c we are creating all these boogeymen that don't affect you b/c you're so stupid and ungrateful"

it's just your typical prog standing on the shoulders of actual pioneers who actually suffered so that they can try to sell and justify their insanity

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Do you have no idea that some people can become as proficient in 1 year as others can in 25? The time doesn't matter, it's what you know and how well you do the job

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That's not how business, or even government jobs usually work.

Now if you become as valuable over a short time you can move up quickly. But unless you have incredible negotiating skills, you're not getting top pay until you prove yourself.

It has nothing going to do with being female.

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Why do you think they offered her $65k?

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It will take too long for me to go into all the details of what led to that offer, but I know for a fact that a large part of the reason was because she's a woman. It's no secret amongst the employees there that women are underpaid compared to men. We've heard similar stories from others that we are friends with inside the organization. Most women there are pissed, but they are afraid of speaking out for fear of losing their jobs. So, no one ever says anything to try to change it.

So my wife really had only three choices, 1. accept it; 2. decline and risk losing her job; 3. search for other employment and in her line of work it's not easy finding another job.

Even where I work as an Engineer, I know women or underpaid compared to men. Don't act like it doesn't exists.

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they're just saying "you stupid bitch. you owe first wave feminism respect, so that means NOW you have to follow our 3rd wave feminism b/c we are creating all these boogeymen that don't affect you b/c you're so stupid and ungrateful"

it's just your typical prog standing on the shoulders of actual pioneers who actually suffered so that they can try to sell and justify their insanity

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It's really a bad strategy because she juxtaposes multiple similar causes and the "one of these is not like the others" is plainly obvious when those causes are held side by side with the current "women's rights movement".

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It's really a bad strategy because she juxtaposes multiple similar causes and the "one of these is not like the others" is plainly obvious when those causes are held side by side with the current "women's rights movement".

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it's also fricking retarded

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Your daughters are still told they are beautiful before they are told they are smart. Your daughters are still told to behave even though “boys will be boys.” Your daughters are still told boys pull hair or pinch them because they like them.
You are not equal. Your daughters are not equal. You are still systemically oppressed.

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our whole society has been feminized to give women an advantage and they have a huge one these days

Gender gap in college graduation rates

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According to data from the Department of Education on college degrees by gender, the US college degree gap favoring women started back in 1978, when for the first time ever, more women than men earned Associate’s degrees. Five years later in 1982, women earned more bachelor’s degrees than men for the first time, and women have increased their share of bachelor’s degrees in every year since then. In another five years by 1987, women earned the majority of master’s degrees for the first time. Finally, within another decade, more women than men earned doctor’s degrees by 2006, and female domination of college degrees at every level was complete. For the current graduating class of 2013, the Department of Education estimates that women will earn 61.6% of all associate’s degrees this year, 56.7% of all bachelor’s degrees, 59.9% of all master’s degrees, and 51.6% of all doctor’s degrees. Overall, 140 women will graduate with a college degree at some level this year for every 100 men.

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fricking patriarchy

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if all that is true it's an EEOC violation (i'm assuming based on the description there are enough employees to qualify). we LITERALLY have laws for that scenario, if true

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Laws doesn't apply if you work for a religious organization or at least that is what was told to me.

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What do you think the ratio is?

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i don't know. care to post data?

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but it should be obvious which way these things go in the overwhelming majority of cases.

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think about that comment and that data that has been presented to support how "obvious" it is

also, be careful not to tread into territory of racism and classism

TIME: 6 Feminist Myths That Will Not Die

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MYTH 5: Women earn 77 cents for every dollar a man earns—for doing the same work.

FACTS: No matter how many times this wage gap claim is decisively refuted by economists, it always comes back. The bottom line: the 23-cent gender pay gap is simply the difference between the average earnings of all men and women working full-time. It does not account for differences in occupations, positions, education, job tenure or hours worked per week. When such relevant factors are considered, the wage gap narrows to the point of vanishing.

Wage gap activists say women with identical backgrounds and jobs as men still earn less. But they always fail to take into account critical variables. Activist groups like the National Organization for Women have a fallback position: that women’s education and career choices are not truly free—they are driven by powerful sexist stereotypes. In this view, women’s tendency to retreat from the workplace to raise children or to enter fields like early childhood education and psychology, rather than better paying professions like petroleum engineering, is evidence of continued social coercion. Here is the problem: American women are among the best informed and most self-determining human beings in the world. To say that they are manipulated into their life choices by forces beyond their control is divorced from reality and demeaning, to boot.

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That's not how business, or even government jobs usually work.

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I know how things work, I've been alive for a while.



What I'm trying to say is this is part of the mentality that people are growing tired of. It's much easier for a "have" to get more than it is for a "have not" to catch up, regardless of how deserving either is. As long as the status quo is maintained, the divide will continue to grow, and people will continue to get angry.

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Your daughters are still told they are beautiful before they are told they are smart. Your daughters are still told to behave even though “boys will be boys.” Your daughters are still told boys pull hair or pinch them because they like them.
You are not equal. Your daughters are not equal. You are still systemically oppressed.

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Most sons are told they are handsome before they are told they´re smart. I don´t think that´s ruined them or their position in this world.

Where did this one grow up that the daughters are told to behave and unsightely behaviour by boys is ignored?

Girls pull hair and pinch when they like boys, as well.

Smart girls know the system favors them. They just have to be aware and work it.