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re: I wonder how oppressed women feel
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:08 pm to When in Rome
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:08 pm to When in Rome
#basedmom is the shite
i need to read that book. i think i bought it off amazon and haven't read it yet
i need to read that book. i think i bought it off amazon and haven't read it yet
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Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:I don't get how you think data can make an argument racist. What argument are you talking about, and how can it be racist?
data that may make argument potentially racist is posted, liberal has to go
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:32 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:You don't think that if millions of people take time out of their day to gather all at once, that this is indicative of the feelings of a very significant number of people? There is a word for what you're doing here... oh yeah, "marginalizing"!
Marginalize? No. Dismissing irrational hive behavior based on a very small minority of women isn't marginalizing.
quote:A grown up like all the idiots on this board that post "melt" over and over and call people "cucks"? At least these women got off their asses, went out and had their voices heard. Or, in your opinion, are "grown ups" supposed to just accept their position in life without complaint?
Everyone had ideas that are disrespected. It's time to be a grown up.
quote:I'm sure the first wave caused men to say "wow, look at all these strong, individual women! I can go along with this!"
Feminism used to be about strong, individual women. The new wave of feminism is an abomination to those pioneers.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:40 pm to Korkstand
quote:3.3 million men and women participated in the US marches
that this is indicative of the feelings of a very significant number of people?
323 million men and women live in this country
That's about 1% of our population participating.
Do you consider 1% to be a very significant representative of a whole?
Even if you consider the marches as being exclusively composed of women (which they weren't), 50.8% of our population is composed of women.
So, 3.3 million / (1/2) of 323 million = 2%.
That's about 2% of our population participating.
Do you consider 2% to be a very significant representative of a whole?
census.org
This post was edited on 1/24/17 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:43 pm to roadGator
quote:It depends on who you ask, I guess. In my opinion, they are all "right" because everyone is free to voice their opinions.
What about all the women mocking the protesters?
Which group of women is right?
A group of christians gather to support a cause they believe in, and a group of atheists show up to mock them. Who is right?
A group of muslims gather to support a cause they believe in, and a group of atheists show up to mock them. Who is right?
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:49 pm to Korkstand
i was just needling you
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:51 pm to When in Rome
quote:Representative of the whole? I don't know. But very significant? Abso-fricking-lutely.
3.3 million men and women participated in the US marches
323 million men and women live in this country
That's about 1% of our population participating.
Do you consider 1% to be a very significant representative of a whole?
Even if you consider the marches as being exclusively composed of women (which they weren't), 50.8% of our population is composed of women.
So, 3.3 million / (1/2) of 323 million = 2%.
That's about 2% of our population participating.
Do you consider 2% to be a very significant representative of a whole?
Do you know how hard it is to get 3 million people to do something at the same time? That's a higher percentage of marchers to women than MLK's march on Washington had of marchers to black people. Was that insignificant?
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
also, data can be considered racist
Math is Racist
(it's about the same book as the other link)
quote:
And worse yet, quants and companies often bake bias into the algorithms we use to sort people in these adversarial and high stakes situations. The factors used to separate the 'winners' and the 'losers' (or whatever kinder label you'd like to use), can include characteristics like gender and race that we know are highly susceptible to bias - so highly susceptible, in fact, that you are legally prohibited from using them to make many of the most consequential decisions.
You can't say you didn't give a family a loan because they were black without facing a lawsuit. But many algorithms, even those employed by peer-to-peer lending marketplaces, make decisions based, in part, on race all the time. We accept them because they're dressed up in a veneer of math.
Math is Racist
(it's about the same book as the other link)
quote:
"I worried about the separation between technical models and real people, and about the moral repercussions of that separation," O'Neill writes.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:02 pm to Korkstand
Well I see your point. But you're not really comparing apples to apples. If anything, the 500,000 who were estimated to march on Washington for the women's march this weekend should be the number compared to the 200,000-300,000 who participated in the MLK march on Washington (not millions). Additionally, it's a lot easier to spread the word around today with instant access to multiple types of instant communication, and there are a lot more easily accessible methods of transportation available to get people to DC than there were back then. But I do see your point. Even a smaller amount of people can make a difference, so sheer numbers might not mean as much as other factors. My problem is that these people today don't have any clearly defined demands or differences they want to make. The whole thing just seems like a big complain-fest over perceived injustices that don't hold a candle to real injustices in the world. That makes it difficult to sympathize with, for the 99% who didn't march.
This post was edited on 1/24/17 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:02 pm to mwade91383
quote:
Which system are you referring to? How so?
There are myriad examples, but I'll start with the cornerstone of success:
Education
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:10 pm to Korkstand
quote:
Do you know how hard it is to get 3 million people to do something at the same time?
Being a victim today is appealing to a lot of people.
This post was edited on 1/24/17 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:13 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
That's a weird study with loads of room for very hard to track bias. Even the author leaves the door open....
"The most common question we've gotten is whether or not the gender of the teacher matters in regards to grading students," Cornwell said. "But that's a question we can't answer because there's just not enough data available. As you can probably guess, the great majority of elementary school teachers are women."
If this is the foundation of your argument why women have it better than men here in the US you'll never get far. Especially w anyone outside of people who agree with you strictly because they like your agenda.
"The most common question we've gotten is whether or not the gender of the teacher matters in regards to grading students," Cornwell said. "But that's a question we can't answer because there's just not enough data available. As you can probably guess, the great majority of elementary school teachers are women."
If this is the foundation of your argument why women have it better than men here in the US you'll never get far. Especially w anyone outside of people who agree with you strictly because they like your agenda.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 4:24 pm to mwade91383
quote:
That's a weird study with loads of room for very hard to track bias. Even the author leaves the door open....
He leaves the door open as to how much the sex of the teacher plays a role in what's going on. The statistics about boys in education are clear. Is there a gender bias towards male students among mostly female teachers? I don't know. I did not experience that. Are girls better suited than boys to the strict and confining classroom setting in today's education? Absolutely. Are boys falling behind? Absolutely. Here is an interesting perspective from a teacher.
LINK
and no, this is not the cornerstone of my argument that females have a systemic advantage in todays America. It's just more interesting than citing legal precedents in divorce courts and laws/regulations that favor women over men.
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