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Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:27 am to Big4SALTbro
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They break the law coming here illegally when we have a legal path.
They commit murder and rape, they need to be blamed.
I may get downvoted to hell for this but. . .
I don't have much disagreement with what you said except the part I quoted. Respectfully, this is painting with a broad stroke. I've known quite a few that came here illegally, and the ones I know have strong family values and are hard workers. They keep quiet and keep food on the plate of their families. I'm on with Trump's plan, but really think the order of plan execution should be
1- sealing off the border,
2- exporting the criminals,
3- removing any subsidy illegals are receiving,
4- then focus on illegals who's only crime is being here illegally.
If they're here, contributing and assimilating and not costing the tax payer money, AND contributing to the tax system, my $.02 is that you can "fine" them or charge them $X to gain citizenship over some probational time period. If they can't do that, they go back. Crimes in general have consequences ranging from paying a small fine, to big fines, prison sentences and death penalty. My compass says that net positive additions can have a chance. Criminals need to get dropped on an island nobody knows where it is. They can kill and steal from each other. The border needs to be priority.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:29 am to Big4SALTbro
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they steal homes and benefits from our most vulnerable people.
They seem to be completely unaware of this. It’s bizarre. But maybe some can stop and think when confronted with this.
Old lady story time. Back in 2016, my husband and I were on a layover at O’Hare airport and stopped at a Chilis for some shitty but familiar food. CNN was on the tv. My husband has 0 shits to give about talking about politics in public. He started going off on the bullshite on the tv. I had a side gig at the time as a therapeutic horse riding coach for disabled people and veterans with PTSD, and I was ticked off about this topic and joined in his bashing of illegals. I didn’t think we were being very loud, and it wasn’t very full. But we definitely were saying things that would tick off libtards.
The couple a few empty tables over from us got up to leave. The wife turned around and started yelling at me. I guess she figured I was an easier target than the louder and more emphatic baw I was with. She’s going off on how she works with illegals and they need help and I should be ashamed of myself and blah blah blah. I calmly told her, “Ok. I work with disabled people that they’re stealing resources from.” She turned on her heel and left. She had no defense.
Liberals can be stupid and arrogant and loud, but if faced with the indefensible truth, at least some can be made to stfu and go away.
Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:42 am to CDawson
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The real criminals in this situation are the bureaucrats that have allowed this to happen, giving the illegal's incentive to come, while refusing to enforce the laws of our country.
Not defending the government officials in question, but no.
It is a crime to enter the US illegally. Those who do so are committing a crime.
Any US officials breaking the law are also committing a crime. O.k., fine.
But that doesn't mean the first group isn't. They are too. Anybody who breaks the law is a criminal. Everybody who breaks the law is a criminal.
Besides, you implicitly contradicted yourself. You implied that there is an inherent incentive to (break the law) to come to the US and that you would do it yourself based on that inherent incentive.
Then you stated that the incentive only existed b/c of the actions of government officials and that they were responsible, not the people responding to the incentive.
In my world drug dealers who break the law are criminals. Even if they are just trying to improve their family's financial future by dealing drugs. I do not admire them.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:46 am to Marshhen
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OP literally said “not the criminals”…
And literally, everyone who comes here ILLEGALLY is a criminal.
They committed a crime.
That's the definition of the word.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:46 am to bluedragon
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But deep inside, they knew they were following Communists.
Man, stop! Ur making me defend illegals. Lol
I disagree. Very few Americans follow our own politics other than the Kool aid provided by the MSM. I seriously doubt foreigners that don't speak our language understand the non pretending and real going one of our federal government!!!
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:46 am to wackatimesthree
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It is a crime to enter the US illegally. Those who do so are committing a crime.
Most of us would do it too, if it helped our families.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:50 am to dgnx6
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We can’t be the welfare state to the world or we turn into those shitholes, then everyone is fricked.
Totally agree. America First is exactly that! If we don't stop the destruction of America and take retain the values and qualities that enabled us to become a great nation, then we'll be in no position to help anyone, namely ourselves.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:50 am to CDawson
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Agree, but I would do the same thing if I were them because it has always been allowed by our corrupt government. That is my point.
I'm not super proud of this, but I watch a fair number of YouTube videos of cops arresting people. The psychology of it is just fascinating to me.
One of the very common things that happens is that people repeatedly claim that they "did nothing wrong," not because they really did nothing wrong, but because everybody was speeding but the cop only pulled them over and left everyone else alone.
The problem with that reasoning is obvious. Yet it's very common.
And it's the reasoning you're using here.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:51 am to CDawson
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If I was them, I would do the same thing to offer a better life for my family. I would do whatever it took to get my family out of a shitehole country and to the USA. This is something I admire about many that make the sacrifice to get to the USA.
You are governed by a Corporatocracy.
The same people who have allowed over 25-30 million illegals into the US over the past 20 years are the same people who offshored US industrial/manufacturing to communist China, but you cannot buy a Cuban cigar legally in the US.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:51 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Most of us would do it too, if it helped our families.
Then most of you are willing to be criminals.
Most black people in the hood are willing to sell drugs to help their families. Or steal from local stores to help their families.
So what?
That it's to help your family doesn't make it any less a crime.
This post was edited on 11/12/24 at 7:55 am
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:52 am to CDawson
I blame them. They want to come here and get payed under the table while enjoying the benefits my ancestors died for and my tax dollars pay for. It's practically theft.
If they were quality people they would improve their home.
If they were quality people they would improve their home.
This post was edited on 11/12/24 at 7:53 am
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:52 am to wackatimesthree
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Then most of you are willing to be criminals.
This is true, including yourself.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:57 am to CDawson
quote:Worst racists ever.
Illegals need to go back, but the people directly responsible for this situation by refusing to enforce the laws, governing sanctuary cities and opening purse strings to those that come should be indicted.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:57 am to CDawson
I share your sentiment. Those struggling where they are are looking for a better situation for themselves and their families. Our government right now allows and even encourages them to come here illegally.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:58 am to RogerTheShrubber
I’ll never be convinced that the systemic dropping of trades education in high school wasn't engineered by the globalists so there would be a “need” for illegals Texas had to enact a registration for verifying citizenship and offender status for any hvac/electrical service personnel to allow entry into customer homes. If that action had not been taken, those trades would have been destroyed for residents as well.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:58 am to RogerTheShrubber
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This is true, including yourself.
You may as well have just announced that you have lost the argument.
Trying to justify an unjustifiable position by claiming you know anything about me or what I am willing or not willing to do is pretty stupid, don't you think?
Let's stick to verifiable facts.
I could help my family by committing any number of crimes, yet I haven't done so.
Have you?
If not, why not, since you're so willing? Are you really as willing to be a criminal as you think?
Do you advocate for poor people to steal or rob in order to help their families? If not, why not?
This post was edited on 11/12/24 at 8:00 am
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:59 am to CDawson
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I will never blame the illegal
so weak
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:59 am to wackatimesthree
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You may as well have just announced that you have lost the argument.
No, its simple economics.
We all would. The way to stop work migration is to build factories South of the border.
Until then, we will always have it and its necessary.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 8:00 am to CDawson
You make sense. Who wouldn’t come here with doors wide open and free provision. It is the fault of our corrupt gov and corporations who want them for their gain. Hopefully, though, Trump sends them back and tells them to apply the correct way. Taxpayers shouldn’t be footing this bill.
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