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re: I wholeheartedly disagree with the Trump administration on getting rid of Net Neutrality
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:16 pm to ShortyRob
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:16 pm to ShortyRob
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I thought it useful to provide the official definition. Nothing more
What's yours
There is no one simple definition of a monopoly that we can use here. I would point out that most anti-monopoly activity around the world today focuses on stopping "cartels" which act as monopolies by combining the power of multiple firms to create a de facto monopoly or otherwise restrain the free market.
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Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:16 pm to CorporateTiger
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The whole point of the post you quoted from me was making the point that this board simultaneously wants to (1) fight globalists and (2) let globalists censor their fight against globalists.
The issue is that in this fight, globalists are on both sides. There isn't a globalist free alternative. There is one globalist that is entrusted to ensure that speeds are equal, that ISP's cannot deny service to sites that they don't like, thus ensuring free enterprise and free speech have a place on the internet (even if search engines make them harder to find). The other side is globalists that will be trusted with an off switch for any site that doesn't pay their protection money or tow the company line.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:17 pm to CorporateTiger
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Also are we just ignoring the regional monopolies that most telecoms have created through local and state regulations?
Unfair business practices to stifle competition? Certainly.
Monopoly? No.
Satellite and mobile provide internet access, if at a lower quality. But the access is still there.
You can only buy grid power from one provider. You can only buy pumped water from one provider.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:17 pm to ShortyRob
You are the one who said the difference between water and ISPs is that there are not different types of water flowing in the pipes. I am teaching you that there are not different types of data flowing through network infrastructure.
You clearly were not aware and i wanted to help you.
You clearly were not aware and i wanted to help you.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:17 pm to CorporateTiger
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There is no one simple definition of a monopoly that we can use here. I would point out that most anti-monopoly activity around the world today focuses on stopping "cartels" which act as monopolies by combining the power of multiple firms to create a de facto monopoly or otherwise restrain the free market.
And when ISPs collude to set prices or quality of service, I'll be right there with you calling for anti-trust legislation to be enacted.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:18 pm to CorporateTiger
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There is no one simple definition of a monopoly that we can use here
Well for frick sake. You're running around saying they're monopolies. You need a working definition of the word as you're using it.
Otherwise, you might as well say they're wigiwigits
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:18 pm to ShortyRob
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Im not upset I'm being down voted by people with your level of economic understanding
But you’re claiming people with your level of economic understanding, like comprehending the internet, existed 300 years ago. It would take days to explain to people as smart as Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin what the internet is and how it interacts with our world. Their minds would be blown in almost every statement that I made, despite having 150+ IQs. But you’re claiming they comprehended the potential complexity of the internet hundreds of years in advance. Keep talking shite.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:18 pm to Sentrius
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these natural monopolies are always going to exist at the state and local level because big corporations like Comcast, AT&T and whatnot has wisely invested their money in buying off the right politicians to push protectionist legislation that prevents true competition
I don't think it's the right move to give power to the federal government simply because of a perceived (accurate or not) problem at the state or local level.
Giving the federal government power is almost never the solution.
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Keep the internet open and free and that's why Net Neutrality should be saved.
I have a lot more concern about the federal government censoring the internet than I am state and local governments.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:19 pm to Tigerdev
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You are the one who said the difference between water and ISPs is that there are not different types of water flowing in the pipes. I am teaching you that there are not different types of data flowing through network infrastructure
Dude. Keep stretching
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:19 pm to kingbob
Oh yeah, between the FCC and ISPs, and even most big online content providers all would be considered globalists by this board.
I just can't wrap my head around how having NN which preserves access to forums to exchange information on fighting any or all of the above referenced globalists is less preferable to people here than letting ISPs determine what they get to see.
I just can't wrap my head around how having NN which preserves access to forums to exchange information on fighting any or all of the above referenced globalists is less preferable to people here than letting ISPs determine what they get to see.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:19 pm to Tigerdev
Trump is touched by the hand of god, if he tweets this is the way ahead we must follow.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:20 pm to OMLandshark
You think economic principles change based on the technology they're applied to?
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:21 pm to Lakeboy7
well if shortyrob is the quintessential Trump voter we should give up and let the Chinese overtake us. We are beyond screwed. I hope he didnt have kids. Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:21 pm to OMLandshark
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But you’re claiming people with your level of economic understanding, like comprehending the internet, existed 300 years ago
They did. I'm sorry you're not educated enough to know this
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. It would take days to explain to people as smart as Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin what the internet is and how it interacts with our world.
But minutes for them to understand the economics of business regulations and business interactions
Minutes
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:21 pm to Centinel
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This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 11:37 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:22 pm to Centinel
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Unfair business practices to stifle competition? Certainly.
Monopoly? No.
What exactly do you think monopolies do other than stifle competition?
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Satellite and mobile provide internet access, if at a lower quality. But the access is still there.
You can only buy grid power from one provider. You can only buy pumped water from one provider.
I like how you say "grid power" and "pumped water" but consider satellite/mobile data equivalent to wired internet service.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:22 pm to Tigerdev
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well if shortyrob is the quintessential Trump voter we should give up and let the Chinese overtake us. We are beyond screwed. I hope he didnt have kids.
3 of them
All smarter than you.
And I'm including the 10 and 8 year old here
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:23 pm to moneyg
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Giving the federal government power is almost never the solution.
Psah, state and local government is generally just as corrupt and overreaching, if not moreso, than the federal government.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:23 pm to ShortyRob
You just showed everyone that despite making dozens of posts about NN you don't even understand how the internet works. I am thrilled for the opportunity to make a fool of you in front of your friends.
I am a computer scientist btw you really want to do this?
I am a computer scientist btw
you really want to do this? Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:23 pm to Centinel
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You think economic principles change based on the technology they're applied to?
Absolutely they do. Do you think a feudal society that takes 3 years to transport things from Asia to Britain is the same as one that can do that in less than a day? It absolutely affects it.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 10:24 pm
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