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re: I wholeheartedly disagree with the Trump administration on getting rid of Net Neutrality

Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:37 pm to
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:37 pm to
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Having the #2 superpower as your mutual #1 largest trading partner to your own detriment if one fails is a new concept. You’d usually go to war with them. Seriously name huge powers that have done this in history?


Wow

ROFLMAO
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:37 pm to
Nope nope nope the ability to get shite tier satellite internet service means that wired residential internet service isn't a monopoly.

On the other hand running your house off a generator is TOTALLY DIFFERENT than getting magical "grid power". So even though you COULD do it and could recreate the effects of grid power 100%..... we are going to ignore all of that for the purposes of discussing power companies as natural monopolies.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
92661 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:37 pm to
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No way this guy has even taken Econ 101 much less anything else


Math is not his strong suit
Posted by AUbused
Member since Dec 2013
7827 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:37 pm to
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Quality is irrelevant to the fact that a provider can give you access to the internet

So now "access to the internet" is the bar. Time to dust off my dialup modem!
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:38 pm to
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Math is not his strong suit

Dunking basketballs isn't my strong suit

This guy is next level dumb
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69180 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:38 pm to
Just because you have the choice of buying bread from the sole bakery within 100 miles or buying apples from the sole apple farm within 1000 miles does not mean that each do not have a monopoly on their given products.

Broadband =/= wireless

They are not the same product just as bicycles and pickup trucks are not the same product. They both get you where you want to go but have completely different ranges, utilities, drawbacks, and customer bases.

The fact that there may be 3 wireless providers that work in your area does not mean that the fact that there is only 1 broadband provider does not mean that that 1 company doesn't have a monopoly on broadband service.

Whether it's an absolute geographic monopoly or an oligarchy, the end result is the same. The customer gets screwed and has extremely limited venues for redress.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 10:40 pm
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:38 pm to
Twitter should go offline in protest for a day. That might do it.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:39 pm to
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ROFLMAO


Because you’re full of shite and you don’t have a name. Carthage and Rome weren’t doing this shite. The Song let the Jin get killed by the Mongols because they refused to go with this concept.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 10:48 pm
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:39 pm to
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Not a monopoly if there's more than one way to access the internet.


Not a monopoly if there's more than one way to obtain power.

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Wired, wireless, satellite. One or all available to all of the lower 48.


Grid power, diesel generators, solar panels. One or all available to all of the lower 48.

I guess I should call FERC and let them know they can stop regulating the power market.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44120 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:39 pm to
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Once you've spent your data cap in the first 1% of the billing period, you can no longer access any HD video streams for the remaining 99% of the time.


Data caps. Hmm. Why do they still exist under net neutrality and Title II? Maybe because they have nothing to do with providing internet service?

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They compete in the same sense that my generator competes with my electric company. IOW they don't.



This bullshite again. Your generator doesn't give you access to the power grid. You sending packets to your neighbor doesn't give you access to the internet.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
92661 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:40 pm to


He said it would cost ppl 10k more per year with this change and kids college funds would no longer exist

Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:40 pm to
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Because you’re full of shite and you don’t have a name. Carthage and Rome weren’t doing this shite.

No shite

Not economics

It's clear that you aren't bad at economics

Being bad at it would require that you know what it is
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44120 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:40 pm to
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Not a monopoly if there's more than one way to obtain power.



You can obtain grid power from more than one company at your house?

I mean I know I could do that in Germany, but not here in the US.

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Grid power, diesel generators, solar panels. One or all available to all of the lower 48.



Not the power grid, of which there is only one provider.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:41 pm to
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This bullshite again. Your generator doesn't give you access to the power grid. You sending packets to your neighbor doesn't give you access to the internet.





Buddy just give it up. You said something stupid, it's ok.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:43 pm to
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You can obtain grid power from more than one company at your house?


Well actually yes, but that's a separate conversation. You keep sleeping in this term grid, which I bolded above.

So instead of talking about internet. I want you to explain how I get hardwired internet from someone who isn't an ISP.

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I mean I know I could do that in Germany, but not here in the US.



You don't actually know about power companies here in the US, huh?

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Not the power grid, of which there is only one provider.


bullshite.
Posted by culsutiger
Member since Apr 2012
652 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:44 pm to
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This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 11:36 pm
Posted by Old Hellen Yeller
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9828 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:44 pm to
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This board "Globalists are conspiring to oppress and culturally change America."

Also this board "We should give globalists the ability to prevent anyone finding out about this plan to oppress us and culturally change America."


Lmao.

I’ll give the board credit though, only the most devout trump sycophants are supporting the end of NN.
Posted by Tigerdev
Member since Feb 2013
12287 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:44 pm to
I think you can concede water based on his post but power is a bit different i agree.

The concept of internet as a commodity vs utility vs consumer service is an interesting one and far from trivial. The reality is that it may not fully fit any of these accepted standard taxonomies... (sort of like classifying a virus as life)...

What I will say is this: consumers have both benefited and suffered for the current situation... Private innovation has driven incredible improvements in the ISP and data services space. NN in my eyes is intended to preserve that innovation by not allowing de facto monopolies decide what businesses can succeed on the internet. My 02 cents.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:44 pm to
Find me when the two major powers were not only economic allies, but mutually dependent on one another’s economy? It hasn’t been implemented to this scale remotely. This is a situation that I consider world peace.

But I guess people hundreds of years ago could have seen this coming, right, despite that it had never been done before?
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 10:45 pm
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44120 posts
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:45 pm to
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Broadband =/= wireless


What is the definition of broadband according to the FCC? How does wireless not meet this criteria?

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They are not the same product just as bicycles and pickup trucks are not the same product.


Every one of you guys use the exact same stupid talking points that I found on reddit years ago.

It's not bicycles versus pickup trucks. It's a honda versus a Ferrari. One's faster, both get you to the job using the highway. Or information superhighway if you want to be old school.

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The fact that there may be 3 wireless providers that work in your area does not mean that the fact that there is only 1 broadband provider does not mean that that 1 company doesn't have a monopoly on broadband service.



Do those wireless providers meet the criteria for broadband according to the FCC definition? If the answer is yes, no monopoly.

Words have meanings. You not liking the meanings is irrelevant.

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Whether it's an absolute geographic monopoly or an oligarchy, the end result is the same. The customer gets screwed and has extremely limited venues for redress.


Wait...so now you're saying oligarchies are natural monopolies? That's odd.



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