re: "I Went to the Hospital with chest pains. The reality in the ER was interesting..."

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I really don't understand what your point is here. They are not different names for the same vaccine....they are different vaccines.

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I really don't understand what you're not getting. We are in agreement; they are not different names for the same vaccine, so they need to know which one you took. So what health impacts are different from one vaccine to the other?

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FYI Hognutz, that 'author' is just dumb.

Viri form. They organize structure. They then use host components assemble multiple copies, and explode their population. Calling active viri inert, or "dead" is ridiculous.

Nor is the assertion we have no EM images of CV19 true.

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J&J is an adenovirus. This is a different delivery system than the mRNA vaccines but the same objective, getting your cells to produce the spiked protein antigen.

The question with these DNA and mRNA vaccines is what cells will produce the protein antigens? People get the shots in their deltoid muscle and the muscle cells are the target cells to produce the protein antigens. This happens with the majority of people and why you get a little redness and soreness at that injection site (from the immune response).

The issue is if the adenovirus or mRNA escapes the deltoid muscle area and sets up shop on critical organ cells. If cardiac cells start producing the protein antigen you will get redness and soreness around the heart.

From the get go, this was the main reason I never took the vaccine. What cells in your body that produce the protein antigen is not fully controlled and how many protein antigens your cell produce is not fully controlled.

This is different than traditional vaccines. At least with traditional vaccines you receive a known quantity of antigen.

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superb post.

The answer to why I did not get any of the shots was that I confirmed had a strong covid, down 10 or so days, run down another week, walked an old man shuffle; THEN CONFIRMED AND TESTED TO HAVE HAD COVID. All BEFORE April, 2020 - one of the first to get it.

My knowledge of how all this worked was that I had immunity and with immunity would not need the shots. So I adamantly refused to get it after it arrived 6 months later.

That is probably the only reason.

I thank God for the lesson of standing for human rights to understand fully that the fear and trepidation should not cause a sudden rush to go against my better instinct in this regard. It was tough. I have learned now.

I am not anti vaxx - but I AM DEFINITELY anti-CDC, NHS, US GOVERNMENT since - the Kenyan, Baraq

The weaponization of the government by this faction is wholly unacceptable - and it is NOT to be trusted in any way,

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Not certain about cardiac but the J&J is a culprit of the micro clotting.

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This question is worth the asking and exploration.

I have heard conflicting info about this aspect of these shots. I believe the distinctions are important.

What is amazing about viruses is they are nucleic acids with a few associated proteins in their simplest forms. All nucleic acids have this intrinsic desire to live forever but this is impossible so the way they have addressed this issue is by copying themselves. All life forms have this. What is this intrinsic desire? It apparently starts at the molecular level with nucleic acids. Where does that force of nature come from?

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Seems like a question that can easily be answered if you spent 0.3 seconds on Pubmed. Here's one I found after spending that much time myself.

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You can just admit it if you don't know the answer. I thought you were in the medical field.

In any event, that looks like totally accurate information.

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Based on the currently available literature, both vaccines are beneficial to provide immunity against SARS-CoV-2 infection.

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Then there's this:

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The COVID-19 vaccines can cause mild adverse effects after the first or second doses, including pain, redness or swelling at the site of vaccine shot, fever, fatigue, headache, muscle pain, nausea, vomiting, itching, chills, and joint pain, and can also rarely cause anaphylactic shock. The occurrence of adverse effects is reported to be lower in the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine compared to the Moderna vaccine;

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Are you claiming that the reason the hospital wants know which vaccine you took is so they can guess if maybe you had fever and fatigue a year or two ago when you got the shot? Really? That's somehow pertinent to the healthcare they're providing today?

That part of the anecdote looks plausible to me because it's the sort of question that's clinically meaningful, but it's not going to be clinically meaningful to everyone who gets asked it. You get asked all kinds of extraneous questions in the process of getting clinical care.

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Why is this confusing to you? They want to know which vaccine you took for the same reason they want to know which blood pressure medication you are on. C'mon man, you can figure this out...I believe in you.

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I've never been asked if I got a flu shot.

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Why is this confusing to you? They want to know which vaccine you took for the same reason they want to know which blood pressure medication you are on. C'mon man, you can figure this out...I believe in you.

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It's not confusing to me, I was just asking on forum where we have people in health care and I thought someone might have an explanation I haven't thought of. You clearly don't and you want to be a condescending douche to compensate. I'm not sure why you tried to answer to begin with if you didn't know.

"Have you been vaccinated" makes sense if it's just a relic question left over from the OMG WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE days. Today we know it means frick-all for whether or not you currently have covid, so it's not accomplishing anything there.

"Which vaccine" only makes sense if it's also a relic question OR there are possible/probable long term health effects of the vaccine(s) and they vary according to which one you took.