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re: I was inside the court when the judge closed the Trump trial, and what I saw shocked me

Posted on 5/21/24 at 4:11 pm to
Posted by BlueFalcon
Aberdeen Scotland
Member since Dec 2011
3463 posts
Posted on 5/21/24 at 4:11 pm to
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Justice Juan Merchan


Hope he's offed by a Trump Supporter
Posted by MightyYat
StB Garden District
Member since Jan 2009
25029 posts
Posted on 5/21/24 at 4:13 pm to
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Cry more tears. I have no sympathy for people who committed crimes to have to face the consequences.


I agree but you have to show the class the crimes that were committed. The prosecution hasn't shown shite. This has been a shite show from day one.

Posted by Veritas
Member since Feb 2005
9860 posts
Posted on 5/21/24 at 4:14 pm to
You seem like you have personal and mental issues.

You should probably consult with a professional.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
22293 posts
Posted on 5/21/24 at 4:16 pm to
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Fascist loser. Apathy is not an admirable quality.


Who do we take the fight to? You must have an idea big boy.
Posted by BlueFalcon
Aberdeen Scotland
Member since Dec 2011
3463 posts
Posted on 5/21/24 at 4:17 pm to
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I agree but you have to show the class the crimes that were committed. The prosecution hasn't shown shite. This has been a shite show from day one.


That's where you're wrong, you just have to get a judge to let you pick the right jury
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
11193 posts
Posted on 5/21/24 at 4:17 pm to
I don't see how any lawyer in the jury would convict him, let alone two. But this isn't a trial about the facts so who knows?
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
56149 posts
Posted on 5/21/24 at 4:18 pm to
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Who do we take the fight to? You must have an idea big boy.


Unfortunately, the only remedy is the court system and the bar associations. Still. Being apathetic about it is a lazy way of saying you approve of it. Do you approve of it?
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
41899 posts
Posted on 5/21/24 at 4:22 pm to
Quick reminder that Alan Dershowitz voted for Hillary.

Yet he is still on a holy quest against this sham of a trial.

Posted by RedStickFox
Member since Sep 2022
356 posts
Posted on 5/21/24 at 4:23 pm to
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Alan is also a democrat and not a fan of Trumps.
He literally spends his every waking moment defending Trump.

Trust in Epstein's best friend all you want. See where it gets you.
Posted by Fububutsy
Lake Charles, LA
Member since Jan 2007
4077 posts
Posted on 5/21/24 at 4:25 pm to
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RedStickFox


Yeah, you’re a fricking retarded bitch. We get it.
Posted by RedStickFox
Member since Sep 2022
356 posts
Posted on 5/21/24 at 4:30 pm to
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What is the underlying crime in the NY case that allowed for the felony charges? I absolutely guarantee you can’t name it. Because the prosecutor couldn’t name it.

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Falsifying business records in the first degree is a felony under New York state law that requires that the "intent to defraud includes an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof". This is in contrast to falsifying business records in the second degree, which is a misdemeanor that does not have that requirement.[7][93][94] In later filings, Bragg listed three such crimes that Trump allegedly intended to commit: violation of federal campaign finance limits, violation of state election laws by unlawfully influencing the 2016 election, and violation of state tax laws regarding the reimbursement.[95]


If you read other sources besides newsmax and twitter you'd know these things. The saddest part is you're still going to pretend that noone has any idea what the crime was!

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Epstein had been banned from all trump properties for nearly a decade. You are so woefully ignorant it must be painful.


I was talking about Dershowitz you moron. He and Epstein were best buddies. Calm down before you blow a gasket.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
56149 posts
Posted on 5/21/24 at 4:36 pm to
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In later filings, Bragg listed three such crimes that Trump allegedly intended to commit: violation of federal campaign finance limits, violation of state election laws by unlawfully influencing the 2016 election, and violation of state tax laws regarding the reimbursement.[95]


Now link a single piece of evidence presented during trial that supports those allegations. Oh…and please link those “later filings.”

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If you read other sources besides newsmax and twitter you'd know these things


You posted a wiki article.

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I was talking about Dershowitz you moron. He and Epstein were best buddies. Calm down before you blow a gasket.


Now that doesn’t surprise me. Dershowitz is a hard core dem for decades.
Posted by dukkbill
Member since Aug 2012
1012 posts
Posted on 5/21/24 at 4:36 pm to
The Ny Courts are a little slow on posting transcripts, but yesterdays transcript is uploaded on Scribd

I’d think NY Courts will have it up in the next couple of days
Posted by RedStickFox
Member since Sep 2022
356 posts
Posted on 5/21/24 at 4:36 pm to
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nly one side thinks you should only be able to see their version of events. I’m sorry if I’m going to side with the one that is promoting more transparency.


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Trump's legal team wanted cameras kept out of the courtroom, saying they would "create a circus-like atmosphere," "raise unique security concerns" and are "inconsistent with President Trump's presumption of innocence."

"This case presents extraordinary security concerns (including Secret Service-related concerns) and we submit that any video or photography of the proceedings will only heighten these serious concerns," Trump's attorneys wrote to Merchan on Monday.


Trump's own attorneys didn't want cameras and they got their wish, now you're bitching about them getting what they want. Do you have a single minute in your entire day where you aren't bitching and moaning about how unfair everything is? Just a minute? Half a minute?
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
56149 posts
Posted on 5/21/24 at 4:36 pm to
Awesome. Thanks.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
56149 posts
Posted on 5/21/24 at 4:38 pm to
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Trump's own attorneys didn't want cameras and they got their wish, now you're bitching about them getting what they want.


Yep. We want transparency. We don’t have to walk in lock step with Trump like you do with these seemingly crooked judges and prosecutors.
This post was edited on 5/21/24 at 4:39 pm
Posted by riverdiver
Summerville SC
Member since May 2022
2632 posts
Posted on 5/21/24 at 4:44 pm to
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I’m going to go out on a limb and say full acquittal.


Would love to see that, but the jury has been loaded enough with leftists that an acquittal is unlikely.
Posted by dukkbill
Member since Aug 2012
1012 posts
Posted on 5/21/24 at 4:48 pm to
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What is the underlying crime in the NY case that allowed for the felony charges?


That was a big part of the discussion prior to bringing in the jury yesterday, and the defense wanted Smith’s testimony to discuss FECA violations

In total, the state charged 34 counts of 175.10, and advanced four theories for a predicate crime: FECA, Tax fraud, 175.05 crimes ( misdemeanor business record violations) by AMI and Cohen, and the one that seems to be the main focus, New York Election law (17-152). Lawfaremedia has a good overview of each

Yesterday Bove and Blanche did ask for some clarification on the instructions for the predicate. That request was pushed to the charging conference
This post was edited on 5/21/24 at 5:26 pm
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
56149 posts
Posted on 5/21/24 at 4:53 pm to
Thanks for posting that. So nowhere in the indictment or charging documents was trump accused of those alleged intended crimes, but it was simply in the opposition to a motion to dismiss? And no evidence was submitted in the trial to substantiate those allegations?

ETA: Man that article is crazy informative. The fourth allegation is a bootstrap that is meaningless. It requires “trying to influence elections by unlawful means”. Haha. That just brings us back to the other 3. Cohen’s testimony blows up the “he paid cohen double so he could label it a business expense” because cohen admitted to stealing the excess.

The other: one is a federal statute that a state court has zero jurisdiction over and the other is blaming trump for the actions of an unrelated third party.


AND….none of these were litigated. Simply mentioned in an opposition.

Holy shite….that is some wild stuff.
This post was edited on 5/21/24 at 5:00 pm
Posted by MemphisGuy
Germantown, TN
Member since Nov 2023
13513 posts
Posted on 5/21/24 at 4:54 pm to
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Trust in Epstein's best friend all you want. See where it gets you.


What does Bill Clinton have to do with any of this?
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