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re: I think a lot of the problems in this country can be traced to our public school systems

Posted on 7/11/20 at 8:11 am to
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
21743 posts
Posted on 7/11/20 at 8:11 am to
Are public schools the methane in the coal mine or are they simply the canary?
Posted by IslandBuckeye
Boca Chica, Panama
Member since Apr 2018
10067 posts
Posted on 7/11/20 at 8:17 am to
In 1998 I went home for my father's funeral. It was days before Thanksgiving. As we sat for dinner my nephews and nieces were bad mouthing the holiday. Then they expressed their hatred for Christopher Columbus. I almost spat out my mashed potatoes but calmly asked what was up with that. They said that it was taught in HS history.

On that sad fall day in 1998, I saw the writing on the wall.
Posted by PurpleCrush
Atlanta
Member since May 2014
602 posts
Posted on 7/11/20 at 8:20 am to
Stupid parents raising stupid kids

It all starts at home

Posted by honeybadger07
The Woodlands
Member since Jul 2015
3263 posts
Posted on 7/11/20 at 8:29 am to
Hot take, thanks
Posted by dek81572
Bossier City
Member since Apr 2012
873 posts
Posted on 7/11/20 at 8:42 am to
Actually, it starts at home. The breakdown of the family and a turning away from God is the root cause of the problems in today's society.
Posted by NineLineBind
LA....no, the other one
Member since May 2020
6903 posts
Posted on 7/11/20 at 8:46 am to
Coaches can make pretty good teachers. Met a head football coach at a 4A high school who was the head of the math department.

Coaches often lean conservative due to the merit based nature of sports.
Posted by 88Wildcat
Topeka, Ks
Member since Jul 2017
13935 posts
Posted on 7/11/20 at 8:57 am to
I'm fairly certain all of the problems in this country can be traced to our public school systems.
Posted by Zarkinletch416
Deep in the Heart of Texas
Member since Jan 2020
8374 posts
Posted on 7/11/20 at 9:12 am to
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Specifically in the way we teach social studies.


IMO it's a contributor but that's not the main problem. I would argue the destruction of the traditional family is the main culprit.

The traditional family unit is the basis of every society. It should be the place where children learn respect for authority, self-sacrifice for the good of the others, commitment to common goals, and compromise.

Nations that support and affirm the traditional family prosper. There is order, dedication to a common purpose, and respect for others. Those countries that abandon the TF, desolve into anarchy, and violence.

Facts are stubborn things - John Adams



This post was edited on 7/11/20 at 9:28 am
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
46021 posts
Posted on 7/11/20 at 9:20 am to
We can start by making public educators more accountable through the elimination of teachers unions. The first goal of every teacher is to be tenured (protected) and whether they’re exemplary or subpar educators they’re protected until they retire. Give parents more choice with alternative schools (charter) and over time regular public schools will pick up their standards or they’ll have declining enrollment.
Posted by The Levee
Bat Country
Member since Feb 2006
10690 posts
Posted on 7/11/20 at 9:27 am to
I was a coach as well. I used to always say I was a teacher first...but the school I worked for hired me to help win football games....lets be honest.

That being said, I miss teaching more than coaching. It's a profession that is losing people because

1. its hard to become a teacher in today's programs
2. it doesn't pay, you can make more at any plant.

So unfortunately, you're getting less desireable candidates for this VERY important job.

We, as a society, need to get away from Common Core and move towards real passing a failing grades. Common Core isn't about education as it is more about herding cattle to be able to test well enough to move on. Schools should be privatized in a sense that they all become part of ISD systems where the community actually funds the school system for children.

"families" that aid in truancy should be fined and/or jailed. Truant kids should be put in grueling trade schools where they can learn an actual trade while doing a service to the community like concrete work for infrastructure
This post was edited on 7/11/20 at 9:31 am
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
67785 posts
Posted on 7/11/20 at 9:33 am to
Drill down further to teacher's unions.

They have set up a system where competition is disconnected.

The lack of competition cements in mediocrity and low performance for the kids too.

The cycle repeats.

If you are searching for systemic racism,
look no further than teacher's unions.
Posted by crazyatthecamp
Member since Nov 2006
2100 posts
Posted on 7/11/20 at 9:47 am to
Kids are taught leftism/marxism k-12.

Critical race theory is everywhere.

This is the main issue I see. Kids are pushed through to make the numbers look better.

godless instruction and entirely focused on race in everything and equity in everything.

These BLM protests are a natural extension of the schools. Most of my meetings this spring had highlights of our students protesting and the staff is eaten up with white guilt.

There is just a cancerous philosophy underpinning everything now that it wont get better unless a shift is made back to meritocracy and MLKs character over skin principle. But everything now is framed with race and the oppressed. Scary because they find oppression in everything and their only deep solution is complete upheaval of societal standards.

Posted by redneck hippie
Stillwater
Member since Dec 2008
5586 posts
Posted on 7/11/20 at 9:49 am to
So don’t reopen the schools? Yes? No? I can’t keep up
Posted by PeteRose
Hall of Fame
Member since Aug 2014
16852 posts
Posted on 7/11/20 at 9:53 am to
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They keep screaming for more money to solve the problem but the results keep getting worse.


If money was the issue, the problem would've been solved long ago. It's the attitude of the culture. Until it's addressed, all the money we can print won't make a difference.
Posted by cssamerican
Member since Mar 2011
7117 posts
Posted on 7/11/20 at 10:41 am to
I can only speak to my experiences, but history was about memorizing dates up to the Civil war, rather than cause and affect up to modern day. I always thought this was stupid. Civics was an afterthought instead of the main focus of high school social studies, and even it was a lot of memorization of events and dates instead of a just focusing on how government works. Hell, we spent a year in Geography learning where states and countries were located on a map, Geography should be a month at most, it doesn’t take that long to read a familiarize yourself with maps.
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
19307 posts
Posted on 7/11/20 at 11:05 am to
Which makes it rather hypocritical that after all the talk conservatives make about wanting alternatives to traditional public school education (such as virtual learning), now that the Democrats want to close schools in the fall, conservatives want to keep them open.

I know a lady in Louisiana who enrolled her kids in a private Christian school's virtual program; she's so happy with it that now she's debating between continuing the virtual program, or moving to another state to enroll them in that school's on-campus program.
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