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re: I talked to some Democrats tonight
Posted on 9/12/19 at 8:35 am to Pelican fan99
Posted on 9/12/19 at 8:35 am to Pelican fan99
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Also the Midwest is going to run out of water in less than 5 years!
Time to start selling that sweet Lake Erie water. Before we burn it all.
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Posted on 9/12/19 at 8:54 am to tigersownall
So a couple drunks in a bar in Thibodaux on a Wednesday night were talking. And this drove you to start a thread here? Rethink your life, man.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 9:03 am to tigersownall
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This old lady who knew him that kept cutting me off. “HES A SCIENTIST. LISTEN TO HIM”
So.. He has a degree in Science field?
Does having an engineering degree make me scientist?
Posted on 9/12/19 at 10:37 am to BobBoucher
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He’s not wrong here. O&g are finite.
Prove it.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 11:42 am to BobBoucher
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He’s not wrong here. O&g are finite.
Yeah, I heard that back in the 1950s. We don't have enough dead dinosaurs anymore to rot and create the oil.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 11:45 am to LSUAlum2001
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Does having an engineering degree make me scientist?
I'd say it depends on what you do. I consider myself a scientist (all my degrees are in ChemE), but I'm building a "nationally and internationally recognized and externally funded research program" per my job description. My wife is also a ChemE, but she's more the traditional engineer, I doubt she'd ever say she's a scientist.
Along the lines of the story, if my wife ever jumped in with "he's a scientist so you'd better listen to him" and I wasn't talking to an elementary school class, I'd ask for the check and head home as she'd be way too drunk to be in public, but a great level of drunk to be at home.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 11:49 am to TheHarahanian
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30 and 40 years ago you would have that conversation with him about peak oil, and his fear tactic would have been just as wrong then as now.
I saw a Disney cartoon warning that we were going to run out of oil in 20 years. That was about 1955. There have been several re-runs of various types since then.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 11:50 am to Pelican fan99
There were claims we would run out of oil in the 1880's.
Been going on for 140 years.
Been going on for 140 years.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 11:59 am to Meauxjeaux
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Prove it.
Umm. Ok.
Oil and gas take millions of years to form as it requires the combination of decaying organisms, heat and pressure over millions of years.
So once we’ve depleted oil that has taken millions of years to form, it will take millions of years to form more.
So yeah - it’s clearly finite within human history. Obviously not finite in the lifetime of the planet. But I doubt that’s what you meant.
This post was edited on 9/12/19 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 9/12/19 at 12:46 pm to BobBoucher
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So once we’ve depleted oil that has taken millions of years to form, it will take millions of years to form more.
So, when the oil vintage 2,000,000 BC runs out we will have to wait for 2019 dead organisms to reach oil maturity in the year 2,002,019? Because there was no vintage 1,999,999? Interesting theory ya got there, Bob.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 12:54 pm to TrueTiger
quote:Truthfully, raising all that corn for ethanol is the issue. We don't need ethanol, as we are energy independent, so this is an issue than can be fixed with guts only. Somebody has to be willing to tell those farmers, we're done subsidizing corn for ethanol.
Also the Midwest is going to run out of water in less than 5 years!
Water returns.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 1:20 pm to Zach
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So, when the oil vintage 2,000,000 BC runs out we will have to wait for 2019 dead organisms to reach oil maturity in the year 2,002,019? Because there was no vintage 1,999,999? Interesting theory ya got there, Bob.
Just looked at one study that if you assume we are half way through discovering all of earths sedimentary basins that produce oil, and calculate it against the time it took to form (250e6 years), then the Earths annual oil production per year through history is averaged at 80,000 barrels/yr.
So there’s your finite number. You need any more - google it.
Consider we consume over 90M barrels/yr.
Sure - you can adjust the “half way through” down ward, which would increase the annual production, but considering we’re reducing biodiversity, id suggest we’re actually lowering the earths oil production capacity.
This post was edited on 9/12/19 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 9/12/19 at 1:34 pm to BobBoucher
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Just looked at one study that if you assume we are half way through discovering all of earths sedimentary basins that produce oil,
This was the assumption since the 50s that = no oil by 2000. All of the assumptions were wrong. All of the studies were wrong. But your study is right? Sure.
That's why Paul Ehrlich got his arse handed to him by Julian Simon.
Google it.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 2:16 pm to tigersownall
You don't talk to democrats. Just ignore them.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 2:16 pm to tigersownall
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talked to some Democrats tonight
But why?
Posted on 9/12/19 at 2:29 pm to Zach
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This was the assumption since the 50s that = no oil by 2000. All of the assumptions were wrong. All of the studies were wrong. But your study is right? Sure. That's why Paul Ehrlich got his arse handed to him by Julian Simon.
Sure he was wrong. That was based off old technology of detection. We have found a lot more and can now extract a lot more. But That doesn’t mean the earth is producing more. Nor does that change the rate of production.
“Finite” is defined as a “fixed amount” for this conversation. I don’t think anyone would agree that oil is infinite. Even if the earth produces 90M barrels a year (which it doesn’t) - that’s finite.
If we agree oil is finite, then we acknowledge there is the potential for consumption to exceed capacity.
This post was edited on 9/12/19 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 9/12/19 at 2:33 pm to BobBoucher
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That was based off old technology of detection. We have found a lot more and can now extract a lot more.
Your claim is based on old technology from the view of someone 50 years in the future. It's always wrong.
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But That doesn’t mean the earth is producing more.
How do you know?
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If we agree oil is finite, then we acknowledge there is the potential for consumption to exceed capacity.
OK, I hypothetically agree that oil is finite. I predict that it will totally run out in 400,000 years.
You better start dropping all of your oil stocks.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 3:27 pm to tigersownall
Don't argue with fools.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 3:36 pm to Zach
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OK, I hypothetically agree that oil is finite. I predict that it will totally run out in 400,000 years.
ok - that’s a different debate. Let’s say we’re not at half discovery as the earlier equation stated. Let’s say we are at a fraction of that. Let’s do 12%. So as of today, we have only discovered 12% of all oil that exists.
That means the Earth produces 320k barrels/ yr. Far short of the 90M/yr we consume.
400k years is probably a stretch.
Posted on 9/12/19 at 3:40 pm to BobBoucher
I've enjoyed playing with you but it's getting boring. But don't take that in a bad way. Here's a nice puppy pic for ya:
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