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re: I support the war. Am I wrong?
Posted on 3/24/26 at 2:02 pm to deuceiswild
Posted on 3/24/26 at 2:02 pm to deuceiswild
Even without any mention of the word NUCLEAR -the despotic Mullahs richly deserves everything and anything they receive. They have -for decades-made sure that there will be no peace in the region. The kidnapping of our embassy personnel was almost symbolic foreshadowing-as they kidnapped peace-terrorized the region-set up serial killer proxy groups like Hamas-torn Lebanon apart with Hezbollah, funded Islamic Jihad throughout the region, Party of God Brigade in Iraq, the Houthis in Yemen-and many more. Not to mention the approximately 1000 dead US servicemen since 1979.
This is a NO-BRAINER. It's not even close. When our biggest enemy in the region is wobbling, we should give them a nudge. This is their nudge. The opposition has lost its fricking mind or just doesn't understand what is at stake here by allowing these shitestains to stay in power. Progress and peace are literally NOT POSSIBLE as long as they retain power. There can be no peace. Opposing this is like saying you approve of the status quo which is endless proxy wars, bodies stacked up for decades and the USA spending a trillion bucks policing the region. Get this shite cleaned up now, while you can.
This is a NO-BRAINER. It's not even close. When our biggest enemy in the region is wobbling, we should give them a nudge. This is their nudge. The opposition has lost its fricking mind or just doesn't understand what is at stake here by allowing these shitestains to stay in power. Progress and peace are literally NOT POSSIBLE as long as they retain power. There can be no peace. Opposing this is like saying you approve of the status quo which is endless proxy wars, bodies stacked up for decades and the USA spending a trillion bucks policing the region. Get this shite cleaned up now, while you can.
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Posted on 3/24/26 at 2:02 pm to Centinel
Some claim he's Hitler and others claim he's owned by the jooos 
Posted on 3/24/26 at 2:02 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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A simple cost benefit analysis tells me it’s a bad decision
The cost will be whatever it ends up being. We can analyze that when it's over. And we should.
In the meantime, what did your analysis determine the benefits to be in the best case scenario?
Posted on 3/24/26 at 2:03 pm to aubie101
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There is not my truth your truth post modern crap... There is the truth......Stop reading right at the start.
I'm definitely open to hearing the truth. Lay it on me.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 2:05 pm to Centinel
The left knows Republicans are only capable of war in the middle east and recessions.
Oh, and throwing money at problems they created
I forgot them lying to the American people, in general.
Oh, and throwing money at problems they created
I forgot them lying to the American people, in general.
This post was edited on 3/24/26 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 3/24/26 at 2:08 pm to deuceiswild
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And also, are you willing to admit that the value to be gained is potentially greater than the cost by orders of magnitude?
Yes, but only if a scenario which I see as highly unlikely occurs: the IRGC capitulates quickly due to a popular uprising which restores democratic rule, installs a liberal democracy that is western friendly, and this new government is widely supported enough to avoid a sectarian civil war. In the event that U.S. and Israeli strikes create the conditions for this to happen in the next month, then yeah, that would be a fantastic deal.
However, it is far more likely that Iran’s IRGC clings to power and digs in. It is far more likely that they continue to bottleneck trade by firing missiles and drones. What makes Iran so different from Iraq is that Iran is a command economy, the IRGC runs every aspect of the economy, the IRGC has a clear chain of command and the ability to survive and regroup from decapitations, they have massive underground manufacturing facilities that we cannot easily bomb from the air. The terrain is mountainous and negates American advantages in tanks and aircraft.
Even if you manage to overthrow the Mullahs and IRGC, the power vacuum left behind will likely result in a sectarian civil war with uprisings in Balochistan and in Kurdish regions. The costs in manpower to occupy the country to maintain order, rebuild infrastructure, and prop up a collaboration government will be immense.
We saw exactly how futile those efforts could be in Iraq and Afghanistan. Iran has the terrain challenges of Afghanistan and the Sectarian ethno-religious divisions of Iraq, with a MUCH larger population than both nations combined. Throw in the challenges of having to transition their economy from command to capitalism a la 1990’s Russia, and you have an absolute nightmare.
If we couldn’t stop the Houthis from shelling ships in the Red Sea, how are we supposed to accomplish all of our war goals in Iran?
Posted on 3/24/26 at 2:08 pm to deuceiswild
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The reality is, none of us knows for sure what’s true and what isn’t.
This is a ubiquitous problem across every topic now considering how much information is out there.
I don't like the enemy and I am extremely skeptical of our ally. It certainly is not wrong to take a thoughtful position considering all of the lies we've been told that were proven lies over the years.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 2:10 pm to The Baker
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Explain why learning from the previous quagmire is irrational
You should always learn from mistakes. Often, mistakes are indeed how you learn.
Why are you certain the intelligence is bad again this time? IMO, it's irrational to say "never again" will I try a thing simply because that thing failed in the past. It's even more irrational when the current thing has many differences from the previous failed thing. In fact, there are more differences than similarities, I believe.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 2:12 pm to deuceiswild
quote:That's the key.
The reality is, none of us knows for sure what’s true and what isn’t.
In order to believe your bullet points, you would have to trust the sources in which you've obtained your information; i.e. the mainstream media.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 2:12 pm to TX Tiger
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What if the UN isn't doing anything about it because Iran isn't the threat that we're being told it is?
Do you have any credible sources that dispute Iran’s funding and other support of all kinds of bad organizations, including Hezbollah and Hamas?
Posted on 3/24/26 at 2:13 pm to LemmyLives
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Iran has been at war with us since 1979. They've caused the deaths of thousands of Americans. There is a cost to doing nothing, which is essentially what we've done for decades.
What? So we haven't done anything for 47 years. But, there is a cost to doing nothing? What is it? I don't know that I have seen it in 47 years. How long does it take?
- There is cost to doing nothing.
- We have to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here.
Same old shite, different year and people keep falling for it. Amazing.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 2:14 pm to Ag Zwin
quote:Do you have any credible sources that they do?
What if the UN isn't doing anything about it because Iran isn't the threat that we're being told it is?
Do you have any credible sources that dispute Iran’s funding and other support of all kinds of bad organizations, including Hezbollah and Hamas?
Posted on 3/24/26 at 2:14 pm to TX Tiger
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What if the UN isn't doing anything about it because Iran isn't the threat that we're being told it is?
What if the Deep State is propagandizing Iran because Iran threatens THEIR money/power, not the safety of you and me?
If those things prove to be true, and I believe they are, would you change your opinion on the situation?
Wasn't directed to me, but I'd definitely change my opinion if those things were proven true.
If you believe them to be true, then okay. Our govt has earned the skepticism of the people. But your tone suggests that you're certain they are true. And that is what leads to argument.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 2:14 pm to Ag Zwin
I think Iran is definitely a threat…to Israel and Eastern Europe. Their attack on Diego Garcia proved that they possess far greater missile range than anyone knew.
Still not a threat to the U.S.
Still not a threat to the U.S.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 2:16 pm to The Baker
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Explain why learning from the previous quagmire
Ok, we don't dissolve the Baath party after taking the capital, and ISIS probably never exists, and we don't have to subdue Ramadi, etc. That was the biggest mistake once the war started.
So, we're supposed to leave the IRGC and political infrastructure intact? Or are you too dense to understand the extended conflict was largely as a result of our political decision to dissolve a political party?
Posted on 3/24/26 at 2:17 pm to BCvol
quote:Well I don't think Hitler would be dragged into a war on behalf of a Zionist state, would have been cool with his daughter converting to Judaism, pardoned his converted Jewish daughter's Father in Law then appointed him as an ambassador to one of our nation's oldest allies, or been cool being introduced as "the first Jewish President" so the Nazi accusations don't really stick.
Some claim he's Hitler and others claim he's owned by the jooos
Posted on 3/24/26 at 2:20 pm to deuceiswild
quote:I don't agree with that. I believe the fact that someone doesn't believe what I believe leads to argument. At least on this board. In addition, it also leads those with opposing views (including admins) to accuse me of trolling.
But your tone suggests that you're certain they are true. And that is what leads to argument.
Like the OP, I am open to discussing the topic, but you can't automatically discount me simply for having an opposing view. If you don't agree with me, great. Tell me why and let's have an adult conversation on the topic.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 2:20 pm to TX Tiger
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Do you have any credible sources that they do?
I asked Gemini.
Outside of the United States and Israel, several governments, international bodies, and even the groups themselves have documented or claimed that Iran provides significant funding to Hamas and Hezbollah. [1]
National Governments & Intelligence
* United Kingdom: The UK government identifies Iran as a "long-term funder and supporter" of Hamas and Hezbollah, stating that this support has a destabilizing impact on regional security. The UK has also coordinated sanctions with the U.S. against the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) for providing hundreds of millions of dollars to these groups.
* European Union (EU): The EU has formally condemned Iran and Hezbollah for their roles in regional instability. EU resolutions have pointed to Iranian influence and support as a factor in Lebanon's economic and political crises.
* Canada: Canadian intelligence reports have previously estimated Iranian transfers to Hamas at millions of dollars annually, citing discovered documents as evidence.
* United Arab Emirates (UAE): In March 2026, the UAE reported dismantling a "terrorist network" funded by Iran and Hezbollah that was involved in money laundering and terrorism financing. [2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8]
International Organizations
* United Nations (UN): Independent UN panels and Security Council reports have documented Iranian support for its regional proxies. A 2024 UN report noted that Hezbollah continues to receive support from Iran to enhance its military capabilities and smuggle arms.
* Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC): Several Sunni-led Gulf nations, including Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and Kuwait, have issued statements condemning Iran's regional influence and the risk its proxy funding poses to regional sovereignty. [9, 10, 11]
Admissions by the Groups Themselves
* Hezbollah: In 2016, Secretary-General Hassan Nasrallah publicly stated that the organization’s entire budget, including supplies and weapons, comes from Iran.
* Hamas: Senior leaders, including the late Ismail Haniyeh and Yahya Sinwar, have explicitly thanked Iran for providing the funds, weaponry, and technology essential to their operations. [12, 13, 14]
Independent Investigations
* The Times (UK): Reported on secret letters found during the Gaza war detailing at least $222 million in Iranian financial support for Hamas between 2014 and 2020.
* The Telegraph (UK): Reported on whistleblowers at Beirut's airport expressing concern over Iranian weapons being stored there for Hezbollah. [15, 16]
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Posted on 3/24/26 at 2:21 pm to LemmyLives
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So, we're supposed to leave the IRGC and political infrastructure intact?
The war has already started.
I don’t see this ever settling down with them remaining intact.
Posted on 3/24/26 at 2:21 pm to Murph4HOF
I agree with you. There is no doubt those insane clerics would have launched a nuke into Israel plunging the world into a nuclear holocaust.
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