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re: I like Putin

Posted on 6/12/21 at 10:23 pm to
Posted by MattA
Member since Nov 2019
1990 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 10:23 pm to
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In our political system, you don't have to be a dictator to have someone taken out. It just has to look like an accident.
The difference is that Putin takes people out by putting Barium in their beverage. That way the message is damn-well noticed


This lol. He’s basically the head honcho of gigantic mafia family. And when somebody steps out of line he sends messages.

Can you imagine him hypothetically becoming the mayor of New Orleans or Chicago lol.
Posted by BarberitosDawg
Lee County Florida across causeway
Member since Oct 2013
13186 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 10:23 pm to
Satanic Democrats are the enemy of civilization period no matter if one is Russian or American.

Posted by alpinetiger
Salt Lake City
Member since Apr 2017
5864 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 10:24 pm to
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Let's throw out western media. Why are Putin's only friendly countries not in the old block socialist south American countries? China is distrustful. North Korea is distrustful. Eastern Europe is distrustful but under his thumb.

This isn't just a narrative.


Because Putin/Russia aren't giving those countries money and supplies like back in the Soviet era. Instead they're trying to grow their own economy, attract (or capture without kinetic warfare) other countries within their region, accumulate gold, and end US Dollar hegemony. All of which I don't blame Russia for because that's in their best interest. You know who doesn't have a military presence in 150 of 195 countries in the world? Russia. You can guess who does.

The US had a POTUS that was on a similar path but he was impeached twice and was cheated out of an election win. The State Department and intelligence run our Roman facimile.
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
14877 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 10:26 pm to
That doesn't really add up. And Russian economy has been in the shitter for some time now.

Russian foreign aid is up 10x in less than twenty years. They're filming doling out more than ever.
This post was edited on 6/12/21 at 10:29 pm
Posted by alpinetiger
Salt Lake City
Member since Apr 2017
5864 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 10:40 pm to
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That doesn't really add up. And Russian economy has been in the shitter for some time now.


Not according to The World Bank Russia Report: World Bank - Russia

If you look at a longitudinal time series of 1992-2018 (that's all I found off the cuff), Russia's GDP has grown from 1703B to 4227B during that time. You think Nord Stream will make a difference for the Russian economy? You know, supplying fossil fuels to essentially all of Europe flowing out of Germany?
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
14877 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 10:43 pm to
Um, think about 1992 as your starting point there.
Posted by Shamoan
Member since Feb 2019
13167 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 10:43 pm to
Russians are more free than we.
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
14877 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 10:45 pm to
Last ten years ...



This look good to you?
Posted by alpinetiger
Salt Lake City
Member since Apr 2017
5864 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 11:00 pm to
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This look good to you?
Why do you think I used all the years I could find that encapsulated post Soviet Russia? Have you taken a statistics class? Do you understand the concept of statistical power, and how power increases the larger the sample size (years)? Power increases the probability of a person not making a Type II error, which is precisely what you're doing now.

I'm done responding to you. Your points are juvenile.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 11:18 pm to
The Russian economy is much more diverse than it was ten years ago. The oil revenues aren't as high, and you still see the brain drain issues, but they're much less reliant on imports

If you're drawing a graph though, it needs to start with the final years of the Soviet Union. When people look at the economy, they remember the Soviet Union, they remember the disaster of the Yelstin years, the country nearly collapsed, and they remember economic revival of the 2000s.
This post was edited on 6/13/21 at 1:28 am
Posted by Tall Tiger
Golden Rectangle
Member since Sep 2007
4172 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 11:21 pm to
Big countries like Russia and China are laughing at the US and other western countries like France and Germany who are commiting cultural and economic suicide by allowing mass immigration of uneducated and unskilled people from third world countries who have zero regard for their new host countries or the concept of western civilization.

Putin will eat Biden's lunch.
Posted by Slevin7
Member since Sep 2015
2716 posts
Posted on 6/12/21 at 11:40 pm to
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Putin would never try to destroy his own country


I agree but I’m also pretty sure he bombed one of his own buildings and blamed it on a rival political party early on

He may love his country. But it’s cause it’s HIS.
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
21036 posts
Posted on 6/13/21 at 3:22 am to
I can’t say I like Putin and can’t say I respect him either.

However I would love to see the citizens of Russia be able to see capitalism and thrive with rights. One of the few countries left that is much like our own. Majority white, Christian, and share some social issues. Infiltration here is from the south, infiltration there is from the south as well. Muslim and Hispanic respectively. Luckily for them they are only generation from freedom. Same as us one generation away from losing ours.
This post was edited on 6/13/21 at 3:22 am
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
16563 posts
Posted on 6/13/21 at 4:34 am to
Moscow is the largest Muslim city in Europe.

Islam is an official religion there.

IBTimes
LINK

Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62440 posts
Posted on 6/13/21 at 5:44 am to
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Infiltration here is from the south, infiltration there is from the south as well. Muslim and Hispanic respectively.


Not respectively.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
35095 posts
Posted on 6/13/21 at 5:49 am to
Hell, I'm trying to think of anything in recent memory that Russia and Putin have done to directly harm the U.S. and/or more specifically directly affecting U.S. citizens in a negative way. The only things coming to mind are unproven allegations used to negatively affect Trump in his Presidency and reelection campaign - Russia collusion and Russian bounties. I assign those -zero- credibility though. So other than those, I can't think of anything to accuse Russia and Putin of.
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
14877 posts
Posted on 6/13/21 at 5:50 am to
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Why do you think I used all the years I could find that encapsulated post Soviet Russia? Have you taken a statistics class? Do you understand the concept of statistical power, and how power increases the larger the sample size (years)? Power increases the probability of a person not making a Type II error, which is precisely what you're doing now.


1. This isn't a statistical problem at all. You literally took the ends of the time series as proof that the Putin economy is doing well. That's an absolute comedy show. Yes, their GDP is higher than post-collapse. If you think that's "statistical" evidence that the Putin economy is doing well the last few years, then god have mercy on any one attending the University of Utah.

2. Even if it were, you're not finding statistical significance in with either timeframe. P.S. - statistical power does something completely different than what you are trying to do here. Here's a refresher: LINK

3. The context is Putin and recent Russian economic issues. Why on earth would 10-year+ pre Putin data have relevance here? You're attempting to compare post-collapse Russian economy to now instead of recent years. You would get laughed out of any high school intro econ class.

You're "done talking to me" because you pulled together a nonsensical argument to support your premise and got called out.
This post was edited on 6/13/21 at 6:42 am
Posted by mightyMick
Member since Aug 2018
3067 posts
Posted on 6/13/21 at 6:45 am to
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But I take everything the state run media says about him with a grain of salt.


Smart. Most of what we as a country know about Russia comes from the msm and politicians, not honorable people. Reagan was able to bring change to Russia, ending the cold war. Since then they haven't been a threat, and I've always thought that Russia could have become an ally, much in the same way as Japan did. The msm decided years ago that Russia was going to be their scapegoat for creating unfounded fear in Americans over Russia, while holding up China as a friend. The msm are evil people and you can't believe anything they say. In fact, it's probably a good bet to treat the opposite of what the msm says as the truth.
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
14877 posts
Posted on 6/13/21 at 6:47 am to
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Reagan was able to bring change to Russia, ending the cold war.


Speaking of state-run and MSM ... in the U.S. Gorbechev's role in this is understated. According to my family here he was treated similarly to previous premiers in the USSR, like a threat.

Outside of the U.S. we saw a way more western- and reform-friendly leadership in the USSR. I think that's rarely talked about here versus "tear down this wall" or whatever.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 6/13/21 at 7:10 am to
Russia was our friend during the drunk, staggering years of Yeltsin when the US was allowed to come in and steal.everything in sight just as we did in Ukraine after 2014. Clinton cleared the path for the American "investors" to come in and start stealing the country blind. Putin came in and put a stop to the stealing and kicked the looting Americans/foreigners out. Then we started down the path toward being enemies again. Much of that Russian loot after he kicked the American bandits out went in Putin's pockets, but the Russian people know that and accept it. It is a trade off for them. They accept it as long as they have a strong authoritative figure that brings order to the country. Putin did that.

It is all a racket, as long as certain segments of the US can go in and loot and steal, or at least establish an environment in a country where they get rich, we are friends with them. When those opportunities disappear for the US establishment/rich we become enemies with that nation and send in the CIA to establish revolutions so that we can install someone who will allow the bandits back in.
This post was edited on 6/13/21 at 7:19 am
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