re: I laugh so hard at all of the "This isn't what I voted for" threads.

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I don’t like Middle Eastern quagmires.

I didn’t like it when Obama did it.

I didn’t like it when Biden did it.

I didn’t like it when Bush did it.

I’m not going to suddenly like it when Trump does it.

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I understand this. However, assuming the reports coming from Iran were true. And Iran was at or near nuclear weapon grade enrichment, regardless of who POTUS is, do we allow a terrorist nation, who uses the Houthis, Hezbollah, etc... to do their bidding, a nuclear weapon?

Play it out long term. We did nothing, and now Iran has a nuke. The same Iran who has directed it's proxies at treaty nations. The same Iran that captured a US military vessel and held it's soldiers hostage. Do you think Iran with a nuke would be less problematic? Do you think they would stop at 1 nuke? Do you think they woulnd't supply their proxies with nukes?

Eventually, we would be drug into this war no matter what. Do you think it more prudent to stop Iran now, or wait until they are fully armed to have to step in?

I know you want us to be isolationist. But in reality, we are not. And that war comes to our doorstep eventually.

Would you rather a greater and more deadly war 10-20 years in the future, or a relatively safe for our allies war now with minimal death and destruction comparatively?

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The problem is the mouth breathers that claim every misstep is actually some type of 8D underwater parcheesi.

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Sure, Trump’s adventure in Iran COULD work. The IRGC’s abilities to attack neighboring states and ships with drones and missiles could be permanently dismantled. The Ayatollahs may be overthrown by a popular uprising emboldened by American and Israeli forces weakening the IRGC. This new regime could embrace western values, be aligned with the U.S. politically, and protect human rights of its citizens while lifting them out of poverty.

All of this COULD happen, and if it did, Trump would have a massive victory to celebrate.

However, I have lived through enough of these to have serious doubts that will be the outcome. I doubt we are able to quickly, cheaply, or anywhere nearly bloodlessly depose the Ayatollahs. I doubt we are capable of truly disarming the Iranian terror network attacking neighboring countries and international shipping (just as we failed to stop the Houthis). I doubt that any regimes we do manage to replace will be supplanted by something positive.

I have so little faith in the Middle East’s capacity to NOT be a quagmire, that I would prefer we abandon it entirely. We don’t need their resources. Europe, India, and the Far East need their resources. Let the countries that need those resources fight the quagmires to secure them instead.

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I don’t like Lindsey Graham.

I don’t like Middle Eastern quagmires.

I didn’t like it when Obama did it.

I didn’t like it when Biden did it.

I didn’t like it when Bush did it.

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How old were you in 1979?

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If you can't admit his messaging was slightly misleading, you are a retard

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Maybe. But do you think any of your other choices wouldn't have to deal with Iran becoming a nuclear power?

Not born yet. F$&k Jimmy Carter. Also, at the time, we WERE dependent upon middle eastern oil, so there was a reason to act. We don’t need it now.

Iran isn’t a threat to Americans. We just consistently put ourselves in the line of fire for the people actually in danger from Iranian aggression. I’m not saying that the Iranian regime isn’t bad. Quite the opposite, in fact. They’re right up there with the North Koreans, Eritreans, and CCP for most evil government.

Just being evil isn’t enough to justify sacrificing thousands of American lives and burning billions of taxpayer dollars.

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It is a deterrence.

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Who would attack us if not for our military bases within their country?

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That’s not a 2 second sound bite that’s a campaign promise and one of the main points of MAGA

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It is. You're ignoring all the times he said Iran cannot be allowed to obtain nukes and just focusing on three words.

His campaign included a lot more content/context than "no new wars", yet thats ALL you want to focus on.

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Uhhh idk maybe NO NEW WARS

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This goes back to a lack of comprehension.

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iran was nowhere near having a nuke-ular weapon

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Based on what knowledge that only you have?