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re: I just looked and there are 2.3 million civilian employees of the Federal Government

Posted on 10/1/25 at 9:33 pm to
Posted by cornerstore
Member since Jul 2024
1747 posts
Posted on 10/1/25 at 9:33 pm to
The size of the federal government was intentionally expanded starting Day 1 of the Obama administration, ostensibly to balance the employment fallout from 2008. It’s time to finally undo this.
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
38718 posts
Posted on 10/1/25 at 9:41 pm to
We need 5 million agents
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
Lurking the Tin Foil Hat Board
Member since Jul 2009
50497 posts
Posted on 10/1/25 at 9:47 pm to
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2.3 million?!?


According to Kristi Noem, DHS has roughly 10 percent of that number that will be working without pay during the shutdown
Posted by BigTigerJoe
Member since Aug 2022
11418 posts
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:00 pm to
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The Feds are the single largest employer in the USA, let that sink in

The Feds have not hired the best and most altruistic people to run the government. It could be argued that most of the 2.3 million petty functionaries are the real threats to the livelihoods of the 342 million approximate inhabitants.
Posted by biscuitsngravy
Tejas, north America
Member since Jan 2011
3780 posts
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:05 pm to
Active military is 1.3 .million of that and 926 billion of the budget. I'm former army and so pro military. But time to cut.
This post was edited on 10/1/25 at 10:08 pm
Posted by biscuitsngravy
Tejas, north America
Member since Jan 2011
3780 posts
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:07 pm to
Active alone is 1.3. Doesn't consider reserve and national guards.
Posted by Macavity92
Member since Dec 2004
6328 posts
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:44 pm to
The OP said 2.3 million CIVILIAN. Not military. The military would add to that
Posted by biscuitsngravy
Tejas, north America
Member since Jan 2011
3780 posts
Posted on 10/1/25 at 11:05 pm to
shite. That's right. The military has almost 800 thousand civilian employees, the postal service over 600. Homeland security now over 200. Unbelievable
Posted by singittomenafogimp
Member since Sep 2025
319 posts
Posted on 10/2/25 at 5:14 am to
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The Feds are the single largest employer in the USA, let that sink in


There are 258 million adults in US. That's basically 1 fed employee per 100 people, aside from state and local government employees. That's not financially sustainable.
Posted by Hayekian serf
GA
Member since Dec 2020
4036 posts
Posted on 10/2/25 at 6:05 am to
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And some Park Rangers in the national forests.


I don’t believe we should have national forest either

Or any government owned land
Posted by Bengalbio
Member since Feb 2017
2104 posts
Posted on 10/2/25 at 7:17 am to
Much of that is civilian DOD, which is the largest employer in the U.S.
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
31340 posts
Posted on 10/2/25 at 7:39 am to
Based on data from March 2025, the cabinet departments with the most civilian employees are:

Department of Defense: 770,900 employees
Department of Veterans Affairs: 433,700 employees (as of 2023)
Department of Homeland Security: 212,000 employees (as of 2023)
This post was edited on 10/2/25 at 7:41 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466927 posts
Posted on 10/2/25 at 7:41 am to
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That's not financially sustainable.


The real budget issues we face are much larger than this spending.

I'm not advocating for maintaining as large of a federal employment level as we have, but framing it in terms of spending/budget is a distraction from looking at the real spending cuts we need to make.
Posted by winkchance
St. George, LA
Member since Jul 2016
6165 posts
Posted on 10/2/25 at 8:35 am to
Add in al the consultant contractors and you can double that.
Posted by Mac Power
Member since Jul 2019
463 posts
Posted on 10/2/25 at 8:42 am to
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Department of Defense: 770,900 employees


I'm one of these and there is some fat to be trimmed for sure. However I think the majority of these jobs need to stay. A lot of them are experts in their fields and offer the continuity that is lacking the military.
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