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re: I heard a crazy stat yesterday
Posted on 4/15/25 at 10:27 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 4/15/25 at 10:27 am to RogerTheShrubber
Do you think manufacturing means assembly line work only? I work in chemical manufacturing and we don't have hardly any of our company employees that are making less than 50 bucks and hour once they get about 2 years of experience. Most of the contractors start around 20/hour when they start with no skills. My company has 30 facilities in china. So, china isn't just doing lower value jobs. I agree we should only be wanting to onshore the better manufacturing jobs though.
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Posted on 4/15/25 at 10:31 am to FLTech
Interesting stat, and I believe it. I've turned down multiple offers for advancement because I don't want to be in an office dealing with others in management. I can't stand being around those useless clowns.
My first question is always Do I have to go to meetings? Yes. frick that.
Manufacturing wages have been stagnant for years, by design. This board has been talking about the reasons why for years but now that Trump is trying to DO something about it everyone wants to be contrarian about it.
The assembly lines everyone envisions don't exist here. I'm running my arse off 12 hours a day.. keeping the line running, anticipating and diagnosing problems with crap equipment some engineer purchased because the salesman bought him a steak dinner and a lap dance. Getting materials, doing quality checks, a shitload of unnecessary paperwork unrelated to production that gets passed up to people in offices that pretend to do something with those statistics.
Training for this position is 6 weeks but it takes 10 years experience to be a good line operator.
We're hiring constantly but 80% of new hires quit because the pay doesn't jive with the hours or workload... 20 years ago it did because there were more manufacturing facilities here and they had to compete for our time. Every time the UAW workers at the AC Delco plant went on strike we got a raise so we wouldn't leave.
My first question is always Do I have to go to meetings? Yes. frick that.
Manufacturing wages have been stagnant for years, by design. This board has been talking about the reasons why for years but now that Trump is trying to DO something about it everyone wants to be contrarian about it.
The assembly lines everyone envisions don't exist here. I'm running my arse off 12 hours a day.. keeping the line running, anticipating and diagnosing problems with crap equipment some engineer purchased because the salesman bought him a steak dinner and a lap dance. Getting materials, doing quality checks, a shitload of unnecessary paperwork unrelated to production that gets passed up to people in offices that pretend to do something with those statistics.
Training for this position is 6 weeks but it takes 10 years experience to be a good line operator.
We're hiring constantly but 80% of new hires quit because the pay doesn't jive with the hours or workload... 20 years ago it did because there were more manufacturing facilities here and they had to compete for our time. Every time the UAW workers at the AC Delco plant went on strike we got a raise so we wouldn't leave.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 10:32 am to FLTech
People want any jobs that pay decent.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 10:33 am to FLTech
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Because they pay like shite right now because the pay rate is for slave labor immigrants instead of actual good paying jobs for American citizens.
This.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 10:40 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You develop skills in construction, you put a nut on a bolt or drop sheet metal into a template every 20 seconds in assembly line work.
I worked for a manufacturing company. Our process wasn't like that at all.
You are taking a fraction of the manufacturing industry and dishonestly attributing it to the entire industry. Just like the other poster who mentioned being "hunched over a sewing machine or workbench." That's a fraction of mfg jobs at a fraction of mfg facilities.
No one wants sweatshops moving back here. We are talking about mfg, not simple production.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 10:45 am to Hitman67
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Do you think manufacturing means assembly line work only?
Most of what we've sent abroad, yes.
We offshore when labor costs and production become inefficient, and if this mfg ever comes back we still face the same problem.
This post was edited on 4/15/25 at 10:46 am
Posted on 4/15/25 at 10:46 am to FLTech
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30% of white collar workers would change their careers in a heartbeat to work in manufacturing instead of their current office job
This is not surprising. Men like to build. They like to see the results of their work. There's pride in building something with your hands. There's no pride in filling out a spreadsheet.
Weak men is another side effect of shipping your mfg overseas and turning into a service economy. White collar work is soft. It creates weak and fat men. We need more mfg jobs to help bring back masculinity.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 10:47 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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No one wants sweatshops moving back here.
What kind of jobs do you think unskilled, uneducated labor should have?
Are they owed a "living wage"?
The power to improve economically lies with the worker, not with society.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 11:07 am to RogerTheShrubber
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We offshore when labor costs and production become inefficient, and if this mfg ever comes back we still face the same problem.
Yes, lots of that was done. What you seem to be missing is that lots of mfg jobs moved because of how much money a company could make and because the country they moved from didn't seem to mind. We have serious national securing issues, because no one was mining the store. When most of your pharmaceuticals and weapons manufacturing, just to name a few have been stripped away, you are in a bind. When your largest world competitor has those jobs you are really in a bind.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 11:10 am to sidewalkside
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There is a massive difference between SAYING you want to do that in a survey and ACTUALLY doing that in real life.
Yeah, the stat by itself is meaningless, using it, without more context, to further any your own goals is disingenuous at best.
This post was edited on 4/15/25 at 11:11 am
Posted on 4/15/25 at 11:11 am to RogerTheShrubber
Not all manufacturing jobs are grime and dirt.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 11:14 am to Hitman67
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What you seem to be missing is that lots of mfg jobs moved because of how much money a company could make and because the country they moved from didn't seem to mind.
What is the purpose of a business?
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When most of your pharmaceuticals and weapons manufacturing, just to name a few have been stripped away
You'll need to explain how we dont manufacture weapons in the USA. There is no objective source that will agree with you.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 11:15 am to BHS78
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Not all manufacturing jobs are grime and dirt.
True. We still rule the world in mfg. Its just higher value stuff that requires more skills and training.
No one is arguing skilled labor should be offshored,.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 11:16 am to FLTech
I would rather use my hands to my benefit. I don't want to be paid to build something for someone else with my own labor. I do enjoy managing and planning material procurement, fabrication, and installation. I can do both blue collar and white collar. But with my busted back, I'd rather do labor for myself.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 11:18 am to tketaco
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'd rather do labor for myself.
We need fewer corporate workers and more craftsmen.
A 40 hour a week job should provide more meaning than unskilled factory work.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 11:21 am to RogerTheShrubber
We need 'shop' back in our schools.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 11:22 am to goatmilker
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We need 'shop' back in our schools
Agree. Teaching crafts and skills.
Those are things people can be proud of.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 11:25 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Agree. Teaching crafts and skills.
Those are things people can be proud of.
Agreed. Skilled labored is hard to find.
Posted on 4/15/25 at 11:25 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Asked and answered at least two dozen times. But let's sort it out once again for you.
Why arent they filling?
(1) Hispanics are damn good construction workers
(2) Until now, construction companies could bring those workers in illegally, and use their illegal status against them to lever lower wages, longer hours, and poorer conditions.
(3) Given the first two conditions, the domestic worker supply dried up.
(4) These are equations that do not get rewired overnight. Americans are conditioned through our education complex to vastly undervalue blue collar work and potential
Posted on 4/15/25 at 11:28 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You'll need to explain how we dont manufacture weapons in the USA. There is no objective source that will agree with you.
I didn't say we don't manufacture weapons in the US. We don't manufacture enough. Surely you know we were getting outproduced like crazy in Ukraine. We should be more on top of that one, with much of warfare changing. Palantir and Andril will help us there to upgrade our military, but we will still need to produce more munitions if we are going to keep up anywhere close to Russia and China.
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