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re: I have a quiet envy of religious people

Posted on 6/23/20 at 10:59 pm to
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
77120 posts
Posted on 6/23/20 at 10:59 pm to
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Stop trying so hard to believe.

Belief =/= Faith.
Man I struggle with this from time to time. I start to question things but I have to remind myself "its just the way God made it. That's all I need to know".
Posted by MikeAV8s
Member since Oct 2016
2330 posts
Posted on 6/23/20 at 10:59 pm to
What the heck, I’ll chime in. I will only speak for myself, but I go through periods of struggling with my faith, belief if you will. I have been in one of those valleys of late. I always come out of these better than I went in KNOWING that there is a God who loves me, even when I feel unloved. In the end, I worry. I think too much. I ask those same questions of “why”?? I don’t know why. I get angry, and I am convinced that I am not condemned for my struggles. And that makes all the difference.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115400 posts
Posted on 6/23/20 at 11:01 pm to
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You don’t even know what makes your heart beat


involuntary electrical impulses causing rhythmic and regular muscle contractions of the heart.

I believe in God and His Son (and the Holy Spirit); however, mine is not the faith of the truly faithful. I cannot yield myself completely to Him. You can call it whatever you want.
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
45272 posts
Posted on 6/23/20 at 11:03 pm to
Excellent point, MikeAV8s.
Every Christian feels that way.
Hills and valleys.
I have minister friends who have stood in the pulpit on a Sunday, delivering The Word, as they deeply question their faith.
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
45272 posts
Posted on 6/23/20 at 11:04 pm to
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involuntary electrical impulses causing rhythmic and regular muscle contractions of the heart.

What initiates the electrical impulses?
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115400 posts
Posted on 6/23/20 at 11:06 pm to
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What initiates the electrical impulses?


The brain and its programming.

God made man. I KNOW that. In the end, it all springs from Him as the Creator.
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
45272 posts
Posted on 6/23/20 at 11:11 pm to
I’m going to back off, as I’m already coming across as the freakish proselytizer.

I’m going to pray for you tonight, udtiger.
God is speaking to you right now—I know you feel it.
Reach out any time; I’d love to chat.

FTR: In the past I’ve requested on the Help Board the addition of a Religion Board. All faiths. A place to have philosophical discussions, requests for guidance, support for those who question, historical context, etc. Never received any kind of response. I’m not at all convinced the PT Board is the place to have these discussions; but as of now, it’s the best option. Just a thought.

Night, all.
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
11356 posts
Posted on 6/23/20 at 11:18 pm to
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The burden of multiple degrees and the life of an *intellectual."


“My favourite definition of an intellectual: 'Someone who has been educated beyond his/her intelligence.
? Arthur C. Clarke, 3001: The Final Odyssey

“Intellect is not wisdom.”
? Thomas Sowell, Intellectuals and Society

“Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.”
? George Orwell

“The man was such an intellectual he was of almost no use.”
? Georg Christoph Lichtenberg

“There is nothing that an intellectual less likes to change than his mind, or a politician his policy.”
? Theodore Dalrymple
Posted by westide
Bamala
Member since Sep 2014
2882 posts
Posted on 6/23/20 at 11:20 pm to
It is best to find God now because once you take your last breath your fate is sealed for eternity.
Posted by TiderTom
Pleasant Grove
Member since Apr 2011
488 posts
Posted on 6/23/20 at 11:24 pm to
Damn. This is sounding veeeery familiar. I tend to take things of this topic very literally. It makes it hard to keep faith sometimes. You want to have simple faith but you’ve read this or that and..well sometimes the Word doesn’t seem consistent to me. You didn’t see the apple thing coming? Your infinite. I’m going to leave this alone because undoubtably I’ll offend someone with simple questions. But I think I know where your coming from. Just hang on.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28133 posts
Posted on 6/23/20 at 11:28 pm to
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The burden of multiple degrees and the life of an *intellectual."




Prof Ian Hutchinson (among a multitude of others) would like a word with you.
Posted by swamie
Where opportunity meets hard work
Member since Jan 2007
27253 posts
Posted on 6/23/20 at 11:35 pm to
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You believe lots of things that aren’t “true” but they are “true” to you. Take for instance your own perception of “who you are”. That only exists in your own mind. To every person you’ve ever known, you aren’t that person, because they perceive you differently than you perceive yourself. Who is the real you? Does such a thing even exist?



quote:

But I need to realize that the perception of the wax is neither a seeing ,nor a touching
nor an imagining . Nor has it ever been, even though it previously seemed so; rather it is an inspection on the part of the mind alone. This inspection can be imperfect and confused, as it was before, or clear and distinct, as it is now, depending on how closely I pay attention to the things in which the piece of wax consists


Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
11356 posts
Posted on 6/23/20 at 11:36 pm to
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I can’t explain it but I know there’s more than this realm and what I am is just attached to this physical......body I guess.


Many of the people that were far advanced beyond their time or made important discoveries were acutely aware this. Da Vinci, Tesla, Mendeleev, Ramanujan, Einstein, even Jobs... The collective unconscious, Akashic records, whatever you want to call it is undeniable to anyone willing to look at the evidence with an open mind.

The problem with most people that think of themselves as intellectuals is that they are "too smart" to be wrong. They are so set in their beliefs and smugness that they refuse to objectively look at any evidence that contradicts their worldview.

In my experience, the people that have to tell you how smart they are are never as smart as they believe.
Posted by MsBhamTiger
deep south.
Member since Mar 2020
307 posts
Posted on 6/24/20 at 12:24 am to
Sounds like you’re a lot more normal to me.
You may just be prone to needing and wanting to find the answers. You clearly enjoy that or I don’t think you’d be where you are in life. That’s not a flaw.
Neither is feeling the way you do. It’s just probably your genetic make up.

Religious or not- my personality tends to always be unbothered. I’m not sure if that has to do with faith or just personality.
Posted by wmr
North of Dickson, South of Herman's
Member since Mar 2009
32518 posts
Posted on 6/24/20 at 12:29 am to
I understand this idea.

I have people who "know that they know that they know". I think you can't feel that way past a certain IQ. I also envy it at times. Seems comfy.
Posted by wmr
North of Dickson, South of Herman's
Member since Mar 2009
32518 posts
Posted on 6/24/20 at 12:32 am to
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The problem with most people that think of themselves as intellectuals is that they are "too smart" to be wrong. They are so set in their beliefs and smugness that they refuse to objectively look at any evidence that contradicts their worldview.


Ok, the idea of there being "something" beyond this realm is reasonable enough.

I just can't enthusiastically believe that God only chose to reveal himself to a small middle eastern tribe of people, and that the glory of Classical Greece, and the best parts of Roman Civilization were just hopelessly doomed pagans.

Christianity at face value doesn't make a lot of sense.

Posted by Catahoula20LSU
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2011
2980 posts
Posted on 6/24/20 at 12:39 am to
It is comforting to know that in the middle of all the turmoil and riots going on, God is still in control. God knows what is going to happen next. He has a plan. If you will just trust Him, he will take care of you. He has already prescribed how this world is going to end. I don’t know all the answers. And I don’t know everything. But I do know who does. If we only believe in ourselves and our own abilities, we cause ourselves all kinds of problems. Do not worry! God knows what you need.

25 Therefore I say unto you, Be not anxious for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than the food, and the body than the raiment? 26 Behold the birds of the heaven, that they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; and your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are not ye of much more value than they? 27 And which of you by being anxious can add one cubit unto the measure of his life? 28 And why are ye anxious concerning raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: 29 yet I say unto you, that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 But if God doth so clothe the grass of the field, which to-day is, and to-morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? 31 Be not therefore anxious, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? 32 For after all these things do the Gentiles seek; for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. 33 But seek ye first his kingdom, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. 34 Be not therefore anxious for the morrow: for the morrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

I know. TLDR. You are more important than flowers and birds. If you seek God, he will take care of you.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
46425 posts
Posted on 6/24/20 at 5:06 am to
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not Christian, I know.
But I am jealous of the peace and certainty very religious people (of any faith [Christian, Jewish, Muslim]) have.
The KNOWING what you believe is right, despite everything, and finding solace and comfort in that.
Lucky

Then you must really envy leftists.
Posted by Perfect Circle
S W Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
7904 posts
Posted on 6/24/20 at 5:12 am to
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Too rational. Too questioning. Too doubtful. 



An apt description of many Christians!
C'mon, you'll fit right in!

I too have multiple degrees.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
13464 posts
Posted on 6/24/20 at 6:40 am to
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The brain and its programming.


Nope. Go down to the morgue and you'll find plenty of brains with programming in those cabinets, but no electrical impulses anywhere.

quote:

God made man. I KNOW that. In the end, it all springs from Him as the Creator.


This is a strange conversation given where it started. First the implication that you are too sophisticated to believe, then a statement that you believe in a creator, but with no "involvement," then you say you believe in the trinity, which opposes the previous statement, then a statement that you can't yield yourself to your beliefs fully, then this statement in which you KNOW that there is a God who made mankind.

Either you're trolling or you haven't thought this through.

In case it's the latter, I think you believe that people who believe have no doubts. That isn't true. I only know about myself for sure, but I'm convinced that believers doubt all the time. Doubt, then work through the doubts, which is the choosing to believe that we were talking about earlier. You're o.k., and I don't think that certainty you started out being jealous of really exists.
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