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Posted on 5/22/20 at 3:50 pm to
Posted by Microtiger
Ithaca, New York
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 5/22/20 at 3:50 pm to
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So your a Bernie supporter?
And your ok to “align” your stance with a party that paid off/stole the nomination from your candidate twice?
I see. Maybe you shouldn’t vote. Your right.


I'm not happy about it. The DNC is corrupt as hell and did Bernie dirty. But it wouldn't make sense to vote for the Republican nominee either, on a platform that doesn't align very well with my positions. Voting third party would be as good as throwing my vote away.

I'm not sure what you think I'm supposed to do. Even conservative RINOs who hated Trump voted for him because they weren't going to vote for a Democrat platform.

Maybe you agree with me that we should have a more flexible voting system that allows more than two parties, so you're not forced into voting for which one you hate less. Something like ranked choice voting that would make the Green and Libertarian parties viable and not jokes. Until that point it's kind of between a rock and a hard place.

Seriously, though. This is solid snark and I understand where you're coming from, but are you seriously insinuating I should vote for Trump? That defeats the entire point.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 5/22/20 at 3:51 pm to
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Posted by DeepBlueSea
Member since Jan 2018
773 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 3:51 pm to
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So you’re just going to ignore his years of discriminatory housing policies against black people, “Chinese virus” stroking at the deep-seated racism in this country against Asian Americans, and pretty much every time he opens his mouth.


I’ll admit that I don’t know enough about the housing issue to speak to that, but ... you’re aware that all Asian Americans aren’t Chinese, right? China is a country, not a race.

Also I’m not sure why the same Asian Americans who need to be protected from this deep-seated (presumably Republican) racism aren’t included in most Democrat-sponsored affirmative action policies, while others are downright punitive to them.
Posted by Microtiger
Ithaca, New York
Member since Nov 2010
1435 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 3:51 pm to
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It just means you hate black people


Oh, okay. Damn, that sucks.
Posted by windshieldman
Member since Nov 2012
12818 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 3:52 pm to
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Oh, okay. Damn, that sucks


Well it does suck
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
17907 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 3:53 pm to
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Help with college costs, even though I got through both my degrees without a single cent of debt. I NEVER agreed with 100% free college and full college debt forgiveness in Bernie's plan. Joe supports debt-free community college and doubling of Pell grants, and reduced interest on debt repayment. This jives a lot better for me. Society has progressed enough that a two-year community college degree is basically High School+ and would take the strain off everyone thinking they need to waste their time at a 4-year university; plus community colleges provide a lot of opportunities for more applied careers which we are short of. I would not have finished college without LSU scholarships and Pell grant, as my family was not wealthy, so I absolutely support more Pell funding.


1. Are there too few Americans in colleges, or too many?

2. Is there not enough enough money flowing onto campuses, or is there too much?

It's hard to look at what's transpired the last 10-20 years in American higher education and not conclude that there are a lot of total BS degrees being granted to students in exchange for far more debt than their newly minted degree can handle and TONS of new university (highly paid) staff and shiny buildings.

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A better stance on healthcare; public option universal healthcare on top of standard Medicare (not as good as Bernie's plan, but oh well). Actual human perspective on healthcare. Decriminalized marijuana (I have no interest in the stuff but it's bonkers that it's illegal still)


I don't know what "actual human perspective on healthcare means, but IMO no party nor politician has distinguished itself as better than others re: healthcare.

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"Increase taxes on corporations to pay for a tax credit to cap all rent at 30% of income and a $15,000 tax credit for the purchase of a first home" This is a great policy. I pay 13% of my income in rent and that's bad enough. 30% seems reasonable to keep people being stuck in a cycle


1. Where will the increased taxes on corporations come from?

2. Has rent control ever worked where it didn't result in a bastardized/inefficient market? (honest question, I'm all ears if it has somewhere)

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Friendlier to clean energy. Universal Pre K. A much friendlier attitude towards science and science funding. Reinstating DACA. Overturning Citizens United. Rules for family leave to catch up to other civilized European countries.


1. Name the friendlier clean energy that's anywhere close to economically competitive.

2. Our schools are failing at the job they have now, won't adding to their burden (pre-K) just make it more they're failing at?

3. "A much more friendlier attitude towards science and science funding" - this isn't a serious thing.

4. "Overturning Citizens United" - maybe I'm confused, but wasn't that a supreme court ruling? How will Biden overturn a ruling by the court?
Posted by Microtiger
Ithaca, New York
Member since Nov 2010
1435 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 3:55 pm to
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you’re aware that all Asian Americans aren’t Chinese, right? China is a country, not a race.


I mean, Han Chinese are absolutely an ethnic group and they are absolutely treated differently than other Asian ethnic groups, though not as much in the US as in Asia. This is kind of silly to say.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162231 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 3:55 pm to
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“Chinese virus” stroking at the deep-seated racism in this country against Asian Americans

Dude. Almost no one hates Asian Americans
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
57699 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 3:58 pm to
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Dude. Almost no one hates Asian Americans


This is the first I’m hearing of it too. This guy must be projecting his own feelings.
Posted by HonoraryCoonass
Member since Jan 2005
18074 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 3:59 pm to
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The DNC is corrupt as hell and did Bernie dirty. But it wouldn't make sense to vote for the Republican nominee either, on a platform that doesn't align very well with my positions. Voting third party would be as good as throwing my vote away.


Your vote for Biden will only reward the DNC for their corruption. They won’t stop until people start to walk away from the plantation.
Posted by stout
Smoking Crack with Hunter Biden
Member since Sep 2006
167277 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 4:14 pm to
I'd be more worried about being a low functioning individual than being black.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
46121 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 4:20 pm to
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I guess I’m black by PrimetimeDaBoss

Still ridin’ with Biden!



Just because you’re black doesn’t mean you have to continue getting punked by the White Elitist Dims. Find some dignity and self awareness.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
46121 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 4:21 pm to
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Why y’all downvoting my shoe size? Oh...



shite, I’m sorry, I thought it was your IQ.
Posted by Microtiger
Ithaca, New York
Member since Nov 2010
1435 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 4:21 pm to
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1. Are there too few Americans in colleges, or too many?


Too many in large universities, not enough in trade schools and community colleges.

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2. Is there not enough enough money flowing onto campuses, or is there too much?


There's a ridiculous amount of bloat in administration, so it'd be nice to cut that fat significantly. Unfortunately I would need to explain the separation between tuition funds, teaching costs, research funds, and research costs to fully justify what needs to be fixed here.

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It's hard to look at what's transpired the last 10-20 years in American higher education and not conclude that there are a lot of total BS degrees being granted to students in exchange for far more debt than their newly minted degree can handle and TONS of new university (highly paid) staff and shiny buildings.


Yep, that's why I think community colleges should take over a lot of the BS degrees and act like High School +. We can't avoid that a bunch of businesses require a college degree for entry level jobs now for no reason. Community colleges can do that for much cheaper. I mentioned this in the post you replied to and have gone into more detail on this elsewhere on the site.

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I don't know what "actual human perspective on healthcare means, but IMO no party nor politician has distinguished itself as better than others re: healthcare.


Taking profit out of healthcare makes too much sense, and we have to do something about paying more per capita than any other country in the world. Republicans truly believe that free market competition would keep insurance companies and hospitals from squeezing as much profit as they can from medical treatment, but companies only act in their own interests, always.

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1. Where will the increased taxes on corporations come from?


Corporate income tax would be raised from 21% to 28%, a minimum tax on book income would be put in place, the GILTI tax rate for offshore subsidiaries would be doubled, along with a few other small adjustments.

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2. Has rent control ever worked where it didn't result in a bastardized/inefficient market? (honest question, I'm all ears if it has somewhere)


I don't believe we have had a great test run to be sure, to be honest. Oregon started statewide rent control in March 2019 which caps rent increases at 7%+inflation, later raised to 9.9%+inflation, per year. It's a year later and I don't see any solid studies for how it's gone. Note that Biden's plan caps rent at 30% of whatever the resident's income is. That makes it much more flexible that flat rate control or fixed percentage increase control. All of these different types of rent control can't be compared to each other directly.

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1. Name the friendlier clean energy that's anywhere close to economically competitive.


Nuclear lol but unfortunately everyone's irrationally scared of it. Wind and solar are already competitive, you can't use the battery argument to cancel that out because batteries are rapidly maturing.

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2. Our schools are failing at the job they have now, won't adding to their burden (pre-K) just make it more they're failing at?


Do you have an opinion on what is causing them to fail?

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3. "A much more friendlier attitude towards science and science funding" - this isn't a serious thing.


The fringes of the voters of each party refuse science - homeopathy, granola lifestyles, and alternative medicine on the left and conspiracies, science denial, and religious-based protest on the right. In the center, where the Democrat and Republican establishment actually are, the policy is not so obviously biased. Republicans believe in a choking amount of oversight at NSF, NIH, and USDA, and believe in less science funding. We are being passed up as the world leader in research and I am living and watching that fact. For this I am literally on the front lines as an NSF-funded research scientist who has been in the field for almost a decade now. This is probably the single most important issue to me.

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4. "Overturning Citizens United" - maybe I'm confused, but wasn't that a supreme court ruling? How will Biden overturn a ruling by the court?


Constitutional amendment. Biden can't do this alone, but voting for him is voting for support of this. Voting for Biden doesn't do much to directly support this, it's the down-ticket voting. But it is part of his platform and I appreciate that he supports it.
Posted by Microtiger
Ithaca, New York
Member since Nov 2010
1435 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 4:23 pm to
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Your vote for Biden will only reward the DNC for their corruption. They won’t stop until people start to walk away from the plantation.


Yeah, it will. That's why our voting system sucks. But it still doesn't mean that it would make any sense for me to vote Republican, and I would like to exert my American right to vote and participate in deciding the future and leadership of our country.

I'm unfortunately not one of the Bernie bros who got pissy and voted Trump in protest last election, so this line of reasoning is not going to fly for me.
Posted by Dead End
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2013
21237 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 4:29 pm to
Guard that plantation gate!
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
21780 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 4:34 pm to
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
50305 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 4:35 pm to
Based on your posts here, a braindead, racist retard seems to be a perfect representation of what you would want in a leader.

Good for you! Did you clap like a retarded seal too?
Posted by DeepBlueSea
Member since Jan 2018
773 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 4:35 pm to
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I mean, Han Chinese are absolutely an ethnic group and they are absolutely treated differently than other Asian ethnic groups, though not as much in the US as in Asia. This is kind of silly to say.



It’s only silly when someone introduces completely separate terminology as a counterpoint, as though effectively changing the meaning of a statement is a logical way to invalidate it.

I mean, you can certainly talk ethnic groups if anybody’s interested, but that has nothing to do with the fact that Asian racial identity is in no way exclusive to a single country in Asia.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
22382 posts
Posted on 5/22/20 at 4:37 pm to
Still on that plantation I see.
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