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I don't understand why earmarks are allowed on congressional bills

Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:32 am
Posted by Hammond Tiger Fan
Hammond
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:32 am
We always see both sides try to slide in crap that has nothing to do with the reason why a bill was crafted and introduced while adding in unnecessary pork. This is idiotic to me.

Maybe somebody out there can educate me on this. Is it possible for someone to ban or create a movement to ban this practice?

This post was edited on 3/24/20 at 8:33 am
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57243 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:32 am to
The only way to pass their stupid appropriations

They should be illegal
Posted by Chef Free Gold Bloom
Wherever I’m needed
Member since Dec 2019
1364 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:33 am to
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don't understand why earmarks are allowed on congressional bills


Same reason they’re allowed to vote for their own salary and make up their own rules.

Someone I guess could sue them over it and have them Supreme Court rule it unconstitutional.

But in reality if they suck arse at their job we as responsible free citizens are supposed to vote them out of office. We have become apathetic and lazy as a check against the government and this “crisis” should be a huge wake up call
This post was edited on 3/24/20 at 8:51 am
Posted by sacrathetic
Member since May 2019
618 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:35 am to
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This post was edited on 5/21/20 at 1:57 pm
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:36 am to
If earmarks are allowed, why isn't line item veto allowed?
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
13292 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:38 am to
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If earmarks are allowed, why isn't line item veto allowed?


There you go again Springer, using common sense and DC in the same collective thought.....

Whats theirs is theirs and whats yours is theirs, capish?
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
27045 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:39 am to
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They should be illegal


Absolutely should be. There should not be an earmark for anything. Either the item merits passing or it does not merit passing.

Spending bills should be specific and only considered outside of the normal budget bill and the budget bill should be required, no more CR's
Posted by DougsMugs
Georgia
Member since Aug 2019
8239 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:44 am to
a bill should be for one specific item or subject and should be less than a half page and in layman's terms.
Posted by dakarx
Member since Sep 2018
6819 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:46 am to
How dare you question your overlords!!!! You are headed for re-education.
Posted by wallowinit
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2006
14973 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:46 am to
Well then we wouldn't need lawyers. What would the poor lawyers do then?
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
27045 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:48 am to
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What would the poor lawyers do then?



Fix toilets? Dig ditches?
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:50 am to
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quote:

a bill should be for one specific item or subject and should be less than a half page and in layman's terms.
Well then we wouldn't need lawyers. What would the poor lawyers do then?
If you limited legislation the way you describe, you would create an exponential increase in ambiguity and thus in litigation.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71339 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:50 am to
Lobbying should be heavily curtailed, and any politician deemed to be abusing tax payer dollars should be put to death.
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
10144 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:50 am to
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Well then we wouldn't need lawyers. What would the poor lawyers do then?

Work.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42517 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:52 am to
I have long advocated for a requriement to submit only straightforward bills for enactment into law.

Too much of the bullshite we have to deal with is a result of this dark-of-the-night shoo horn amendments - aka 'earmarks'

If you want something enacted, write a bill about THAT item and describe it fully and debate it openly and thoroughly - and then stand by it.

and for damned sure = nothing with an "EMERGENCY" tag should ever be considered without direct attribution as to its effect in mitigating the emergency/
Posted by The Boob
Member since Mar 2010
767 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:53 am to
Watching each side and their respective media point the finger at the other side is infuriating. Both sides are to blame and there’s no debate about that. They should suspend all of their salaries and perks until they manage to do the bare minimum of what they’ve been asked to do - look out for the country and it’s people. It’s more and more clear that they’re ALL sacrificing the well being of the average American with every passing day in order to lobby for the big businesses and special interests that fund their campaigns...

It all gives me a mental image of EMS drivers arguing without end over where to grab lunch while their patient is bleeding out in the back of the Ambulance.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67482 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:53 am to
That bridge to nowhere ain't building itself
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
13292 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:59 am to
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It all gives me a mental image of EMS drivers arguing without end over where to grab lunch while their patient is bleeding out in the back of the Ambulance.


Nice analogy.

You will notice the need or sense of urgency of the primary bill is always in direct correlation to the level of absurdity of the earmarks. And this one takes the cake.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42517 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:59 am to
quote:

If you limited legislation the way you describe, you would create an exponential increase in ambiguity and thus in litigation.


the only exception I can take on the
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a bill should be for one specific item or subject and should be less than a half page and in layman's terms.
is the use of 'layman's terms.'

I do feel that any legislation should be narrowly molded to a specific purpose and that it takes 'lawyerly' verbiage to fully describe the 'four corners' of its scope.

But the sentiment of the thread is valid - no more of this shoe-horning of unrelated garbage into a bill - regardless of how well 'lawyered up' it is.

And I wold love to see 100 different half page bills -> each addressing a specific topic - instead of 1000 page beheomaths that cover 100 (plus x number of addons) written with the intent of actually hiding the specifics of the content to anyone other than a lawyer.

And yes - every piece of legislation should be accompanied by a peer-review plain-english 'layman's' description of its contents.
Posted by DougsMugs
Georgia
Member since Aug 2019
8239 posts
Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:53 am to
ha!
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