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re: I Don’t Understand Trump’s End-Game with the Recent Military Pardons
Posted on 11/25/19 at 3:23 pm to Strannix
Posted on 11/25/19 at 3:23 pm to Strannix
Don’t assume I’m ok with Obama pardons, either. I’m not.
Every day the DoD is engaged in operations that you will never hear about. Soldiers have to evaluate hard decisions in light of the laws of our country and the standards of conduct that we have told the world we will abide by. Everyday decisions are made in this vein. Many are very tough decisions, but that’s part of the job. Our troops understand if you don’t have the moral courage to make the right decision, then you don’t have what it takes to serve.
Those pardoned, including Bradley Manning, violated those laws and should be held accountable by the military who was attempting to do just that in the case of Gallagher and Golesteyn. The DoD had already done that in the other two cases.
The actions of those who were pardoned tells the world that they, not their commanders, will be the ones who decide what laws they will follow and when they follow them. That is a disgrace to those soldiers who do the right thing every day and make those hard decisions with respect for the laws of war.
These pardons are an insult to the military and detracts from the integrity of our military.
There is a large consensus in the military of those who agree with this line of thinking.
Every day the DoD is engaged in operations that you will never hear about. Soldiers have to evaluate hard decisions in light of the laws of our country and the standards of conduct that we have told the world we will abide by. Everyday decisions are made in this vein. Many are very tough decisions, but that’s part of the job. Our troops understand if you don’t have the moral courage to make the right decision, then you don’t have what it takes to serve.
Those pardoned, including Bradley Manning, violated those laws and should be held accountable by the military who was attempting to do just that in the case of Gallagher and Golesteyn. The DoD had already done that in the other two cases.
The actions of those who were pardoned tells the world that they, not their commanders, will be the ones who decide what laws they will follow and when they follow them. That is a disgrace to those soldiers who do the right thing every day and make those hard decisions with respect for the laws of war.
These pardons are an insult to the military and detracts from the integrity of our military.
There is a large consensus in the military of those who agree with this line of thinking.
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Posted on 11/25/19 at 3:25 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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That multiple SEALs testified against him as to the evil shite that he did.
Which ones, the one that said he, not Gallagher, killed the isis dude?
Or the other guys that all posed gleefully for the photos but later remembered they were sad about meanie-pants Gallagher?
GTFO, no wonder he was acquitted of all but the weakest, dumbest charge.
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How often do you think other SEALs will step out on a team member?
How often do they admit to killing a MF on a team member's behalf?
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Maybe Trump should remember what a fricking concept of right and wrong is. Stabbing a POW and intentionally shooting civilians is fricking evil.
Maybe should remember not to be a slanderous fricking a-hole, Gallagher was found not guilty of all this evil shite you are talking about, i.e. he's NOT frickING guilty of those things according to his frickING Court Martial.
Posted on 11/25/19 at 3:28 pm to Huevos
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These pardons are an insult to the military and detracts from the integrity of our military.
You know what detracts from the integrity of our military? Charging one effing person out of several for a picture. Then being so pissed off that you whiffed on the other charges you reduce a Chief to an E-1, effectively trying to kill his retirement. For a picture.
The Navy screwed this up, and nobody upset with the outcome seems to be willing to admit that.
Posted on 11/25/19 at 3:29 pm to LSUBadger
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The military justice process is being subverted? Oh. Eight years of Obama era PC military leadership needs some subverting by the President
Operators should be allowed to police themselves. The draft dodger can jerk himself off as much as he pleases with his pardons but killing the trident review really was a bridge too far. Especially for the CINC
Posted on 11/25/19 at 3:32 pm to Huevos
Posted on 11/25/19 at 3:33 pm to Huevos
I don't know whose alter you are, but GFY and DIAF.
Kthxbye
Kthxbye
Posted on 11/25/19 at 3:33 pm to denvertiger
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Operators should be allowed to police themselves. The draft dodger can jerk himself off as much as he pleases with his pardons but killing the trident review really was a bridge too far. Especially for the CINC
And that's also not what happened, he agreed to let the review go forward, which was bullshite in the first place, but since the Navy Secretary "subverted" the process and lied to the defense secretary he got shitcanned and the defense secretary killed the review....
The more you know
Posted on 11/25/19 at 3:33 pm to Huevos
Those officers are paid to follow orders. Their CIC gave them an order and they refused. Trump should have referred them for court marshal.
It is very similar to the diplomats in last weeks hearings. They got all bent out of shape because Trump didn't say what the diplomat had written out as talking points.
Guess what, they don't make foreign policy and just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean shite. Do as you are told.
Elections have consequences...
It is very similar to the diplomats in last weeks hearings. They got all bent out of shape because Trump didn't say what the diplomat had written out as talking points.
Guess what, they don't make foreign policy and just because you don't agree with it doesn't mean shite. Do as you are told.
Elections have consequences...
Posted on 11/25/19 at 3:34 pm to denvertiger
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Operators should be allowed to police themselves.
They should, but they didn't. They could have removed this guy from the teams WITHOUT a court martial for a host of reasons and it may have never gotten to this point. They kicked the can down the road then used a court martial where he was acquitted of the serious charges as an excuse to get rid of the guy.
If the stuff I read is true he needed to be gone. I don't know that and neither do any of you. All we have is the result of a jury trial, and you don't go treating someone as if they're guilty regardless of the verdict. That's bullshite.
Posted on 11/25/19 at 3:34 pm to alphaandomega
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Elections have consequences...
I forget who taught us that...
Posted on 11/25/19 at 3:36 pm to Huevos
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These pardons are an insult to the military and detracts from the integrity of our military.
bullshite, Clint Lowrance was 100% railroaded, I couldnt care less how many innocents die, we shouldn;t be in these shite holes to begin with.
Posted on 11/25/19 at 3:39 pm to Huevos
quote:This one doesn't.
Basically every military officer I know disagrees with his decision to subvert the military justice process.
FWIW, POTUS eviscerated your guy today. POTUS pointed out that one of the Bergdahl rescue squad who was shot thru the spinal cord and rendered quadriplegic during the mission, apparently died recently. Meanwhile the broken system let Bergdahl skate.
Bergdahl was allowed to skate while the system went after Gallagher. Chelsea Manning was commuted. Yet the system went after Gallagher. Not only that, but there was obscene prosecutorial misconduct involved the effort. Not a good look.
POTUS exercised his rights as C-in-C, and a nitwit within his command obstructed, obfuscated, and tried to circumvent the C-in-C's order. Bad juju.
Posted on 11/25/19 at 3:39 pm to More&Les
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And that's also not what happened, he agreed to let the review go forward,
It's absolutely what happened. Nice color job to defend your guy, though.
Posted on 11/25/19 at 3:41 pm to Huevos
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These pardons are an insult to the military and detracts from the integrity of our military.
This right here tells me all I need to know...
You obviously did not follow this trial...
Whose alter are you btw?
Posted on 11/25/19 at 3:43 pm to denvertiger
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Operators should be allowed to police themselves.
Posted on 11/25/19 at 3:43 pm to denvertiger
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It's absolutely what happened. Nice color job to defend your guy, though.
So you are calling the defense secretary, and the former navy secretary actually, liars?
Posted on 11/25/19 at 4:10 pm to NC_Tigah
I think he's saying that SPECWAR should decide who wears the trident or not, regardless of the pardon. And I don't disagree, but nobody's telling the teams to take this guy back. He's retiring. Not allowing him to retire with his SEAL rating was just another slap on the way out because they were pissed that he beat the charges. Allowing him to keep it doesn't change anything substantive.
There is no right to be in units like that, and the higher up the food chain you go the less justification is needed to remove someone. If they wanted him removed from the teams they could have done so prior to all this, but they didn't. If he was such a bad seed in combat they could have left him on the teams but put him into a training rotation until he retired, but they didn't do that either. If he was guilty of some of those stories they screwed up and if he was innocent they screwed up. They screwed up any way you look at it.
There is no right to be in units like that, and the higher up the food chain you go the less justification is needed to remove someone. If they wanted him removed from the teams they could have done so prior to all this, but they didn't. If he was such a bad seed in combat they could have left him on the teams but put him into a training rotation until he retired, but they didn't do that either. If he was guilty of some of those stories they screwed up and if he was innocent they screwed up. They screwed up any way you look at it.
This post was edited on 11/25/19 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 11/25/19 at 4:15 pm to Huevos
You don’t understand a lot of things. Even the things you posted in your OP.
Did you question Begdahl over the same or your alter?
Did you question Begdahl over the same or your alter?
This post was edited on 11/25/19 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 11/25/19 at 4:15 pm to Huevos
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Basically every military officer I know disagrees with his decision to subvert the military justice process.
And guys like Vindman didn’t like Trump’s Ukrainian policy. And every military expert said we should stay in Syria.
Who’s the Commander-in- Chief?
This post was edited on 11/25/19 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 11/25/19 at 4:29 pm to Dale51
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That multiple SEALs testified against him as to the evil shite that he did.
"Well..thats just, like, their opinion, man"
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Can we get it on record that you don’t think what Gallagher was accused of doing by his peers was bad?
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