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I believe that my field - higher education - is facing an epic collapse

Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:28 am
Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
18066 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:28 am
Sooner rather than later.

There are some things happening in the landscape of higher education that are leading to an absolute collapse. I think it could be as soon as 2030. Here are some hard truths that most people don't realize.

1. College isn't a good deal for most students anymore. Unless you are majoring in a STEM field, it makes little sense to spend four years and $100k to get a degree that you will make about the same as working at Target.

2. So much competition for a decreasing pool of students. After 9/11, the birth rate in the US started dropping. It had a small increase and then the 2008 recession hit and it decreased again. The result is now there is not only competition from increased wages, but colleges are competing for less students than they have in the past.

3. The Student Debt Crisis. It went on for years without being talked about, but Dems talking about student debt has shined a light on the crisis. I don't think we'll see across the board student loan forgiveness, but the fact that its being talked about hurts colleges.

4. The rise of micro credentials. IT fields don't care if you have a degree. Do you have Microsoft certification? Javascript, C++ certification? You're hired. And these are the job fields that are growing. What happens if other fields start going this route? Do you think people really care that an accountant took music appreciation? There is a rise of these type programs across the nation. 10-12 months of intense learning on one thing. 100% job placement.

5. Test Optional is Going to Backfire. Many colleges are scraping SAT/ACT requirements in the name of equity. What they are getting are students that are not prepared. Plus, an admission essay is way more hackable than a standardized test. Standardized tests aren't perfect, but they should be a part of a holistic look at a potential student. A 4.0 at an inner city high school is not equal to a 4.0 at an elite private school, no matter how woke you want to be.

Side note on this. Watch this Supreme Court case. If colleges can't discriminate against Asian-American students anymore - this may change.

6. COVID funding saved a bunch of colleges, including most HBCUs from closing. You aren't going to hear this in the media, but there are about 1000 schools that would not be open today if not for the billions in COVID funding.

There are five tiers of schools, I've placed some Louisiana/Mississippi examples when appropriate. .

Tier 1: AAU schools. Ivies, Stanford, Caltech, etc. and top notch public schoolsThese schools will have to make some adjustments, but are in little danger of collapse.

Tier 2: Flagship state schools like LSU, Ole Miss and R1 schools like Mississippi State and Tulane. Will be hurt more than AAU schools, but will recover by taking students from below tiers.

Tier 3: Top Regional Universities like Louisiana Tech, Southern Miss and High Endowment ($300 MM+) like Gonzaga, Samford. These schools will be hurt badly. You will see some of them have to reclassify athletics from Division I. They will survive but take a major hit.

Tier 4: Lower Regionals like Southeastern, McNeese, Delta State, Top HBCUs like Howard, Florida A&M, Grambling, Jackson State. Privates who have invested in online learning like Louisiana College, Belhaven, Mississippi College. Privates with >$100 million endowments like Dillard, Centenary, Millsaps.

Some of these schools will not survive. States will have to consolidate some schools. Privates will have to go to non-scholarship athletics and focus more on adult and online learning. If Tier 2 schools start focusing on adults and online at a higher level, it will wipe out most of this tier.

Tier 5: Low Regionals, Niche Schools, Low HBCUs, Privates with under $100 million endowments. These schools are going to have a really tough time adjusting. Some states will keep these open longer than they should and others will cut bait.

Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
22848 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:30 am to
I’m not reading all of that but a TLDR is no shite. Colleges are overrun with students who don’t belong there and others who get neck deep in grievance studies and churn out doctoral candidates that are unemployable.
Posted by The007
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2022
474 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:33 am to
Unless you are going to college for Med School or Law School what's the point?
*To Go Party
*To rack up $40,000 in debt
*Get brain washed in to Leftist ideals

Seriously look at the increase in High School Home School. Plenty of ways to get an education with out the environment of 500 people in a Biology class that I NEVER HAVE USED!
Posted by LSUAlum2001
Stavro Mueller Beta
Member since Aug 2003
47132 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:36 am to
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or Law School what's the point?


We have too many lawyers.

Med School/STEM

Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
38897 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:38 am to
Good point about the microcreds. Employers care about skills more than degrees.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260547 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:39 am to
Credentialism, a left wing staple has pretty much destroyed the way young people find their way through the world. The systemizing of higher ed fails the intellect and makes it little more than a job creator, and a certificate factory.

Its a cancer that is destroying higher ed.
This post was edited on 3/21/22 at 11:41 am
Posted by lsursb
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
11580 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:39 am to
I feel ya. I'm in the same field. I know universitites are filled with liberal influencers who are corrupting the minds of young people. But, I think it is starting earlier than that. I find that more and more entering freshmen are coming in with very strident liberal views. They are adopting their views much earlier. They just learn how to mobilize and organize better in college.
Posted by TulaneFan
Slidell, LA
Member since Jan 2008
14035 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:40 am to
Most 4 year universities are little Marxist factories. You can earn a worthless degree, while being indoctrinated with bullshite and saddled with student loan debt up to your eyeballs, or go to a trade school and learn a valuable craft for a fraction of the cost
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
80152 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:41 am to
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Tier 1: AAU schools. Ivies, Stanford, Caltech, etc. and top notch public schoolsThese schools will have to make some adjustments, but are in little danger of collapse.


AAU is almost completely based on research, not necessarily quality. Here is the full list of AAU members (keep in mind that the University of Nebraska-Lincoln was kicked out right after they joined the Big Ten Conference)

Carnegie Mellon University
Purdue University
Tulane University
University of Pennsylvania
Case Western Reserve University
Rice University
State University of New York at Buffalo (Buffalo University)
University of Pittsburgh
Columbia University
State University of New Jersey (Rutgers)
University of California-Berkeley
University of Rochester
Cornell University
Stanford University
University of California-Davis
University of Southern California
Duke University
Stony Brook University
University of California-Irvine
University of Toronto
Emory University
Texas A&M University - College Station
University of California - Los Angeles
University of Virginia
Georgia Tech University
Johns Hopkins University
University of California - San Diego
University of Washington - Seattle
Harvard University
Ohio State University (I'm NOT putting THE in front)
University of California - Santa Barbara
Vanderbilt University
Indiana University
Pennsylvania State University
University of Colorado - Boulder
Washington University in St. Louis
Iowa State University
University of Arizona - Tucson
University of Florida
Yale University
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
University of Chicago
University of Illinois - Champaigne
Dartmouth University
McGill University
University of Iowa
University of Maryland
University of Utah
Boston University
Michigan State University
University of Kansas
University of Michigan
University of California - Santa Cruz
Brandeis University
New York University
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill
University of Minnesota
Tufts University
Brown University
Northwestern University
University of Texas at Austin
University of Missouri
California Institute of Technology
Princeton University
University of Wisconsin
University of Oregon
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
19701 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:42 am to
quote:

I believe that my field - higher education - is facing an epic collapse
good, they have become nothing but propaganda factories anyway
Posted by Jack Daniel
In the bottle
Member since Feb 2013
25465 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:43 am to
The “every one gets a trophy” mindset for college acceptance will devalue a degree to the point of not needing one

quote:

I don't think we'll see across the board student loan forgiveness


Student loan forgiveness will devalue even more
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
12618 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:43 am to
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Do you have Microsoft certification? Javascript, C++ certification?


Sometimes I wish I has stayed with programming. I can still do a little C++. Got talked into accounting by a CPA friend of dads. And I hear now they have removed accounting systems classes from accountancy. If true… that’s a terrible shame. High proficiency in MS office is very useful in accounting as well as any business.
Posted by Bourre
Da Parish
Member since Nov 2012
20274 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:44 am to
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So much competition for a decreasing pool of students. After 9/11, the birth rate in the US started dropping. It had a small increase and then the 2008 recession hit and it decreased again. The result is now there is not only competition from increased wages, but colleges are competing for less students than they have in the past.


There is a significant number of men who are not going to college. This is also attributing to a reduced pool of applicants
Posted by ShoeBang
Member since May 2012
19358 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:45 am to
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Good point about the microcreds. Employers care about skills more than degrees.


Because, as predicted by anyone with a somewhat functioning brain, lending everyone money to go to college cheapened the degrees
Posted by bamaphan13
Member since Jan 2011
992 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:46 am to
quote:

Test Optional is Going to Backfire. Many colleges are scraping SAT/ACT requirements in the name of equity. What they are getting are students that are not prepared. Plus, an admission essay is way more hackable than a standardized test. Standardized tests aren't perfect, but they should be a part of a holistic look at a potential student. A 4.0 at an inner city high school is not equal to a 4.0 at an elite private school, no matter how woke you want to be.


This just blows my mind. Scrap testing in the cause of equity saying people from better backgrounds have more advantages to prepare for testing. All that money that was pumped into testing practice, tutors, etc. will now just go to private consultants from the same people to shape the resumes into what the schools are looking for.
Posted by Bearcat90
The Land
Member since Nov 2021
2955 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:48 am to
I've said this every time I see this topic posted:

If you are reading this and considering a college education or are the parent of someone wanting to attend college, you MUST consider colleges such as my alma mater, The University of Cincinnati.

Every single program at UC has mandatory co-operative programs. What are those you ask? Well, you basically work in your chosen field of study years 2 thru 4 in what are usually 5 year programs and are typically paid quite well to do so.

They have this available in
Engineering
DAAP (Design, Art, Architecture, Planning)
Teachers College
Nursing
Medical
Etc., etc.

Not only did I learn more in one quarter of co-op with one of my employers than all my class studies, it paid for my education and everything else.
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
17562 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:49 am to
quote:

High proficiency in MS office is very useful in accounting as well as any business


It’s absolutely necessary now. I’m a programmer in a financial division. If accountants aren’t very skilled in excel or access, they will be almost worthless and passed by people that are
Posted by Figgy
CenCal
Member since May 2020
7189 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:49 am to
quote:

College isn't a good deal for most students anymore
student debt
scraping SAT/ACT requirements in the name of equity



quote:

higher education


Posted by Gaspergou202
Metairie, LA
Member since Jun 2016
13496 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:52 am to
While I agree with your assessment of the future woes of higher education.

You left out one factor. The internet. The advent of online classes is a mortal threat to brick, mortar, and ivy universities. The dumbasses actually sped this up with their covid response.

Online classes will pay academics less to teach more with BS-BA and a few Masters level grading and tutoring help. This is similar with health care paying doctors less and substituting nurses and practitioners. This was occurring before covid, but will accelerate now after covid.

The genie is out the bottle.
Posted by Langland
Trumplandia
Member since Apr 2014
15382 posts
Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:52 am to
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Get brain washed in to Leftist ideals


Which is why it's important to make college "free". To get the leftist indoctrination.
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