re: I appreciate the sentiment, but Antifa and their ilk are neither Nazis nor Fascists

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Perhaps look into the reality of national socialist economic doctrine rather than viewing the now New York Times owned history channel propaganda. If you are more informed than I am assuming I apologize and always welcome an informed challenger, a good debate Is a passion of mine. Nazi germany nationalized industries who were taking advantage of government subsidies, in certain cases gave them to new caretakers, and constantly sought to return the industries they repurposed to private control. There is a reason they were the most successful economic triumph over the shortest period of time in European history. Admittedly I am more sympathetic to their cause than most owing to family allegiance but I’m also not talking out of my arse.

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So Germany was already a socialist nation and the Nazis reinvented that socialist system with their stamp of approval and their approved management team in place? I am not saying this is incorrect...what you state is unequivocally true....but the fact is those industries were subsidized by the people of Germany before the NAZIs, while the NAZIs were in power and today....that is seen as socialism in the US today...any form of subsidy derived from the taxpayer and any kind of regulation of the industry in question. Of course there isn't a speck of truth in that but it is the view many people have of socialism in the US.

I do take some issue with your premise that they "constantly sought to return the industries they repurposed to private control"....that is only true when that industry was making money and they could put it in "private" control that allowed the party to take all of the money...they weren't getting rid of corrupt business leaders and allowing the share holders or employees are anyone to appoint a new leader....they were seizing shite for their own personal gain and controlling whoever was in "charge"....let that person step out of line and they would be eliminated immediately. It wasn't like the courts convicting a business owner of wrongdoing and allowing the business to find a new leader and that business then being free to do whatever it wished within the confines of the law....it was all about the party controlling everything....


A good part of the reason they were able to become an economic powerhouse is they had a readily available supply of slave labor who could be worked to death. Couple this with the fact that they seized private property left and right and used it to their own ends and it was a great business model for some...for others not so much...

Finally the scenario you describe, of the NAZIs reinventing the German Economy in an exact replica of itself with their stamp of approval on it is EXACTLY what libertarians want to do. If you can tolerate speaking to one long enough and ask enough questions of them they will eventually reveal that they would reinvent every single institution, regulation, process and system we have in the US today but it would have their stamp of approval on it. Just ask them what a civil court would look like...you'll get the idea....

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in your opinion. earth just got in the right spot accidentally?

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There are many earths out there. We are but one of many. We weren’t “placed” here by some omnipresent being.

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so you are not a fan of evidence of a creator?

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Tell your creator to create a sandwich infront of me. I’m hungry. If he can’t create this world and all it’s beings, certainly it can create a sandwich for a hungry guy.

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You can use straw man arguments and deny science that works against you all you want but your belief relies on that and that has more holes in it than swiss cheese.

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Science isn’t perfect. Science changes over time. As we evolve and grow a better understanding of the world we begin to answer previous unknowns.

Now, since you believe in “god” what makes YOUR god right? Why not the ancient Greeks? Romans? Egyptians? Why not the Norse gods? The Babylonian gods? The Celtic gods? The Hopi? Cherokee? Shinto?

Which “creator” made us? Which “origin story” is right? We’re we made in 7 days?

You wanna talk holes in a story? Seriously?

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Wolfgang Wolfhausen

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Your entire OP is nonsense.

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NATIONAL SOCIALISTS are left wing

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Thanks Jonah Goldberg. You’re wrong.

we have some mad commies in this thread

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Well, he doesn’t exist

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Wolfgang Wolfhausen

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That's a motherfricker who has completely been sold on the authoritarian ideals of antifa.


The "fascism" that antifa is 'fighting' against right now.... are the concept of borders, the belief that all people should be treated equally, the 2A, and free speech. Free speech and an armed populace are fascist ideals now.

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socialists are socialists are socialist regardless what word we put in front or behind the word. like national socialists, commies are commies are commies regardless what they put also, see union of soviet socialist republics, etc. all left wing.

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I hate people who think of the political spectrum as a line.

It’s circular dude.

Fascist aren’t socialist. They are both totalitarian have have more alike than different, but they aren’t the same.

It almost seems premature to label Antifa with much accuracy because some of the factors seem more suited to an established system rather than an insurgent movement. There are certainly fascist factors present, violence, aggression, extreme intolerance, mobilization. But it’s hard for example to gauge nationalism when they are opposed to the principles of our nation. But does anyone doubt that, were they to create their own nation, they would be strongly nationalist in that regard? I don’t.

Also it seems there are many different types at play here. Some want truly peaceful protests without violence, some want to violently pursue a political agenda, and some are likely just anarchists opposing whatever they can.

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Antifa and their ilk are neither Nazis nor Fascists

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Just because they suck at it doesn't mean they aren't Fascists.

And yes, I down-voted you