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I am amazed that people actually think our discourse was respectful before trump arrived
Posted on 5/12/18 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 5/12/18 at 3:42 pm
It is willful ignorance to think people treated the other side respectfully in previous years and political cycles
Was John Kerry treated decently by republicans in 2004?
Was George bush treated decently by dems?
Was Romney? Was obama? Was McCain?
You can argue that trump is not respectful against his political nemeses
But do not EVEN TRY TO ARGUE that vitriol did not exist before trump
We had ads blaming dems for willie horton’s raping spree and ads blaming republicans for causing cancer
The last election where there was respectfulness was probably 1996....because everyone knew it was merely a formality with a foregone conclusion
Was John Kerry treated decently by republicans in 2004?
Was George bush treated decently by dems?
Was Romney? Was obama? Was McCain?
You can argue that trump is not respectful against his political nemeses
But do not EVEN TRY TO ARGUE that vitriol did not exist before trump
We had ads blaming dems for willie horton’s raping spree and ads blaming republicans for causing cancer
The last election where there was respectfulness was probably 1996....because everyone knew it was merely a formality with a foregone conclusion
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Posted on 5/12/18 at 3:43 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
When toddy was acting like an a-hole during the Obama years he said “by any means necessary” now he’s whining about decorum. What a fricking joke.
Posted on 5/12/18 at 3:43 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Is there really some big group of people claiming that political discourse has only now become bitter?
Posted on 5/12/18 at 3:44 pm to Powerman
The media who is part of the demise of discourse blames trump. it’s hilarious.
Posted on 5/12/18 at 3:45 pm to BeeFense5
The way I see it when you call everyone that disagrees with you racist for decades on end with nothing to back that claim up you can't get pissed when people aren't civil to you in return.
Posted on 5/12/18 at 3:46 pm to Powerman
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Is there really some big group of people claiming that political discourse has only now become bitter?
Uh, I believe Democrats, at least the ones in the media, say look at me.
Posted on 5/12/18 at 3:48 pm to Powerman
Toddy in the other thread
Posted on 5/12/18 at 3:48 pm to Powerman
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The way I see it when you call everyone that disagrees with you racist for decades on end with nothing to back that claim up you can't get pissed when people aren't civil to you in return.
It’s deeper than that. Those same people treat opposing beliefs as if they should not even be heard. And when they are they melt about “normalizing” people they hate.
Those people are so absolutely ate up with their own hubris they can’t smell farts in the wind.
Posted on 5/12/18 at 3:48 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Full time respectful discourse,is the seed of misunderstanding.
Downvote away,but It's the truth.
You should have certain principles that are untouchable. You should wear these on your sleeve.
Giving up,or moderating your stance on this principle,is not acceptable,and any approach,should be rejected with extreme reaction.
Downvote away,but It's the truth.
You should have certain principles that are untouchable. You should wear these on your sleeve.
Giving up,or moderating your stance on this principle,is not acceptable,and any approach,should be rejected with extreme reaction.
This post was edited on 5/12/18 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 5/12/18 at 3:49 pm to Powerman
quote:
Is there really some big group of people claiming that political discourse has only now become bitter?
poor thing, you must live under a news blackout
Posted on 5/12/18 at 3:50 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I’m too young to remember before bush but I’m pretty sure bush was called a nazi non stop. Then it got worse under obama. Now it’s even worse under trump. Part of the issue is that people don’t really realize how bad it is when they sometimes agree with the slurs. Obama supporters were more sensitive to the rights nonstop hate towards him, trump supporters are more sensitive (with good reason) towards the new hate. Not sure where this ends.
Posted on 5/12/18 at 3:50 pm to Homesick Tiger
I don’t think politics was particularly respectful before.
I do think Donald has gone a few steps further than any major player prior and that’s been a green light for some regular folks (on both sides) to ramp up their behavior.
I do think there are still a fair amount of generally respectful folks out there though.
I do think Donald has gone a few steps further than any major player prior and that’s been a green light for some regular folks (on both sides) to ramp up their behavior.
I do think there are still a fair amount of generally respectful folks out there though.
Posted on 5/12/18 at 3:52 pm to NoSaint
The problem is that the establishment republicans let the Dems run roughshod and allowed them to unchecked insults. Look at mittens for example. Democrats ran a campaign as if he was sexist and racist. Mitt Romney, the sexist 
They are mad trump is beating them at their own game. And he’s murking them.
They are mad trump is beating them at their own game. And he’s murking them.
This post was edited on 5/12/18 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 5/12/18 at 4:04 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
It may not have met your definition of respectful, but it was civil. This disrespect is both offensive and counterproductive, as you will find out in November and then again in November 2020. Please keep the good work up.
Posted on 5/12/18 at 4:14 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Of course it wasn't. But Trump, with the help of his simpletons, has bought it down to the gutter.
Posted on 5/12/18 at 4:15 pm to BeeFense5
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This post was edited on 5/12/18 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 5/12/18 at 4:16 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
But do not EVEN TRY TO ARGUE that vitriol did not exist before trump
Who is arguing this?
The Dems called Lincoln a monkey.
This is as old as politics goes - in fact, it was worse back in the day.
Shite the South didn't even put Lincoln on the ballot.
And we talk about a coup today? The South tried to rig the 1860 election not just a few FBI people and CNN.
Can you imagine if the South didn't put Hillary Clinton on the ballot?
Or the Coasts didn't put Trump on the ballot?
This post was edited on 5/12/18 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 5/12/18 at 4:16 pm to Toddy
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Toddy
You and trump are two sides of the same coin.
Let’s not forget how big of an a-hole you were to people on here during the previous administration. Glass house.
Posted on 5/12/18 at 4:17 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I think it’s a matter of degrees. It has never been respectful in my lifetime, but the sheer amount of hyperbolic vitiolic rhetoric directed toward Trump and anyone who does not rush to condemn his every action from every single facebook user, newscaster, comedian, tv show, and talk show host is simply a whole new level. It is absolutely impossible to avoid. It was never this bad under Bush. You could at least watch most tv and never have to hear about politics. Now, there’s no escaping it.
Posted on 5/12/18 at 4:17 pm to Powerman
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Is there really some big group of people claiming that political discourse has only now become bitter?
For those who are, I’d like to introduce them to Messrs. Jefferson and Hamilton.
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