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re: I am a conservative who believes the job of teaching is under paid
Posted on 6/20/19 at 2:56 pm to sms151t
Posted on 6/20/19 at 2:56 pm to sms151t
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I make about 38k work in Title 1 school as was transferred there to “fix it”. But hey let the Poli board solve the issues since it knows the issues in education
Man, sign me up. Can't wait to have summers off and a pension in 30 years!
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Posted on 6/20/19 at 2:56 pm to LSUFanHouston
Correct. In Missouri you can purchase those years in the teachers pension. I think.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 2:58 pm to the808bass
ATRS. So it’s a pension basically like MOSERs
This post was edited on 6/20/19 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 6/20/19 at 2:59 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Paying a 3rd grade teacher 64K a year with a masters degree is really on the high end.
You'd need a Doctoral to get to 64K in Alabama at the state minimum, but the minimum possible pay is 39K a year with a Bachelor's and that jumps up to 43K in year 3.
In Alabama we have a Master's and then a "Sixth-Year" degree for teachers. If you go get those two degrees before you hit tenure your salary would go up to 48K getting tenure and then 53.6K in year 4.
Of course those are just the state minimums. Local municipalities can pay more than the state minimum, and they all do.
With a "Sixth-Year" degree at Birmingham City Schools, you'd hit $63.8K in year 9. Doesn't matter what level you're teaching. You'd cap out at $63K with a Master's.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 2:59 pm to pizzatiger
Ok I don’t have summers off you fricking idiot. We’re a Title 1 school maybe go look it up
This post was edited on 6/20/19 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 6/20/19 at 3:00 pm to the808bass
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If you’ve paid enough units into Social Security, you will receive benefits. I believe it’s based on quarters of work.
I have enough, just not enough to matter. In short, in order to get SSI and Teacher Retirement, I am subjected to WEP regulation.
quote:
The Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) is used to calculate the reduction for a benefit you earned from Social Security. The WEP is a modified benefit formula usually used to reduce your own Social Security earned benefit if you receive a TRSL retirement benefit.
This post was edited on 6/20/19 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 6/20/19 at 3:00 pm to jimmy the leg
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But what if I paid into SSI?
If you paid into it you should get benefits.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 3:02 pm to sms151t
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Ok I don’t have summers off you fricking idiot. We’re a Title 1 school maybe go look it up
Most schools in Birmingham are Title 1 schools. What you're describing is a year-round school, which is not required under Title 1.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 3:07 pm to Walter Kovacs
No we’re Title 1 because low income and high risk. So to keep from having State takeover we implemented Summer and SPARK
We also are such a poor and small district we basically work free summers and required by contract to work 210 days. Most districts are 180 Now that extra 30 can be CEU or Spark/Summer
So it’s not year round
The town will die within 2 generations and district was dumb not consolidating. But that was decade before we got there
We also are such a poor and small district we basically work free summers and required by contract to work 210 days. Most districts are 180 Now that extra 30 can be CEU or Spark/Summer
So it’s not year round
The town will die within 2 generations and district was dumb not consolidating. But that was decade before we got there
This post was edited on 6/20/19 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 6/20/19 at 3:09 pm to sms151t
Gotcha
You don’t have an easy job. My wife taught for years and is an admin now. It’s a brutal career. And Title 1 schools are their own special challenge.
You don’t have an easy job. My wife taught for years and is an admin now. It’s a brutal career. And Title 1 schools are their own special challenge.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 3:11 pm to sms151t
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So to keep from having State takeover we implemented Summer and SPARK
I see. This is not required under Title 1.
Why is the district so hesitant to be taken over by the state? Is it because they know the state would lay off central office employees?
Posted on 6/20/19 at 3:11 pm to sms151t
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Ok I don’t have summers off you fricking idiot. We’re a Title 1 school maybe go look it up
sarcasm bro. I do not envy you
Posted on 6/20/19 at 3:12 pm to the808bass
If I was smart I’d never left SMS and stayed in Athletics
But once started teaching I should’ve gone back to SGF area
The district I have begged our new super to look at is East Newton. We are a ton alike. They went to 4 day weeks and longer days couple years ago.
But once started teaching I should’ve gone back to SGF area
The district I have begged our new super to look at is East Newton. We are a ton alike. They went to 4 day weeks and longer days couple years ago.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 3:14 pm to Walter Kovacs
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Why is the district so hesitant to be taken over by the state?
Small town and terrible administration previously. They were taken over once before and huge stigma attached to that in NWA
There’s only 3 central office employees total
This post was edited on 6/20/19 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 6/20/19 at 3:19 pm to sms151t
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They went to 4 day weeks and longer days couple years ago.
Yeah. Some of the “90/90/90 schools” seem to have found success there.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 3:22 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:I know this
Teaching is two parts:
1) Subject matter
2) Ability to run a classroom and communicate that subject matter to minors.
quote:The "alternative paths" are comical in many places. I wanted to teach after my military service but the arse pain involved was absurd.
You don't need an education degree - that's why there are alternative paths.
So now, I just make multiples of what I would have made teaching. Yet, to go into teaching, I'd have to spend a shite ton for no fricking reason.
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But, to say that someone can walk in cold without any study in the field of teaching, is absolutely insane.
I'd say the evidence is that a lot of people WITH the above can't do it. Just sayin
Posted on 6/20/19 at 3:24 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:Exactly.
A market economy, which you seem to push one paragraph above, would make this determination.
But right now, if you're short Calculus teachers because they need more pay, the ONLY way to do this is an across the board raise even for the teachers who you are having NO TROUBLE FINDING at current numbers
Posted on 6/20/19 at 3:28 pm to pizzatiger
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Man, sign me up. Can't wait to have summers off and a pension in 30 years!
Who is stopping you?
FWIW, I don't complain about income.
I never have. I choose to be a teacher. I passed on higher paying jobs because I actually wanted to do this for a living. Benefits (vacation time etc.) were part of that decision. I also coach. From October to February, I regularly pull 80 hour work weeks (occasionally 90). I make about $3 an hour coaching. Yet, I choose to do that as well (I get help in terms of scheduling as it relates to my course load as an added benefit). I get that there are issues (as documented in this thread), but surveying the different facets of a potential job, and then making a decision based on that analysis, seems like a wise decision to me.
I do find it ironic that when the Oregon professor retired with nearly a a million dollar per year pension, most of the board was like "good for him."
From an article...
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That translates to $913,335 a year, making Robertson the top public pension recipient in the state, easily surpassing OHSU neurosurgeon Johnny Delashaw, who retired in 2015 and now receives annual benefits of $684,944; or former University of Oregon football coach Mike Bellotti, who retired in 2010 and now receives $558,690 a year in benefits.
My take was, that type of pension plan will probably have issues going forward. Based on the remainder of the article, I seemed to have been correct in my assumption. Just my .02.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 3:30 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:A fair point.
What is median family income in Miss with both adults having college degrees? Let's compare apples to apples.
I doubt it goes above $80K though. The BLS says NATIONALLY, the median weekly earnings for someone with an undergrad degree is 60,996. You see, the Miss median vs the national median is 77%. So, 70% x 60,996=46,992.
That's awfully friggin close given that my medians were for ALL people with degrees and the Miss number I gave you was FIRST YEAR teachers.
I rest my case.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 3:32 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:A popular narrative that doesn't survive scrutiny AT ALL.
We should adjust the teacher's salary to reflect the number of hours a year they work, compared to those other professions.
VERY FEW people who make really good money are confined to 40 hrs. Teachers would find that my neighbor who works at Boeing works a shite ton of hours and that doesn't count the fact he brings his computer home with him most days
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