re: How the CIA creates Lone Gunmen through the MK Ultra Program

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Well the MK programs are real and have had verifiable results.

I wouldn't call them "Fed's" as much as I'd call them Fed "tools"

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Manson and Teddy K being part of MK Ultra ends up being a net negative result for MK Ultra.

I do think it's possible that Teddy K did get introduced to halogenations via the program and this did expand his mind (as they are prone to do), but everything he did once he left society actively worked against the very CIA/IC conspiracy theories pushed by CTs. His manifesto expressed direct concerns over this exact stuff.

If the CIA/IC had mind control over him, why would they let him publicly shite all over them?

Same argument applies to Manson. In the worst interpretation of his actions, nothing he did actually furthered CIA/IC conspiracies. The Tate murders brought cults to the forefront and led to a national reaction to them. How does this further CTs that link the CIA/IC to that exact cult-like behavior (via whatever form of international authoritarian boogeyman term du jour you are using today)?

This is all also ignoring that hypnosis doesn't control people in that manner. The suggestion that hypnosis creates leads to unreliable information, too (see: repressed memories, which are bullshite)

It is well-documented that they did this to Ted Kaczynski while he was at Harvard in the 60s.

Project ARTICHOKE


Date August 20, 1951 - April 13, 1953
Perpetrators CIA
Interests Mind Control

Description An investigation into interrogation methods using drugs and other methods: "Can we get control of an individual to the point where he will do our bidding against his will and even against fundamental laws of nature, such as self-preservation?"

Project ARTICHOKE (also referred to as Operation ARTICHOKE) was a CIA project that researched interrogation methods and arose from Project BLUEBIRD on August 20, 1951, run by the CIA Office of Scientific Intelligence.[1] A memorandum by Richard Helms to CIA director Allen Dulles indicated Artichoke became Project MKULTRA on April 13, 1953.[2]

The project studied hypnosis, forced morphine addiction (and subsequent forced withdrawal), and the use of other drugs, among other methods, to produce amnesia and other vulnerable states in subjects.

ARTICHOKE was an offensive program of mind control that gathered together the intelligence divisions of the US Army, US Navy, US Air Force and the FBI. In addition, the scope of the project was outlined in a memo dated January 1952 that stated: "Can we get control of an individual to the point where he will do our bidding against his will and even against fundamental laws of nature, such as self-preservation?" (CIA document, MORI ID 144686)[3][4][5][6][7][8]

CIA Document

He was a know-it-all about Jack Smith's appointment he was...



I will now await to see his evidence that mind control is no longer happening.

Does SFP have a CIA clearance to make such a statement. He went from the very idea (as Biden would say) is whack-a-doodle. To: well, yeah umm, yeah, maybe they did this in the 50's and 60's

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He was a know-it-all about Jack Smith's appointment he was...

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We will see what the appeals court does.

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I will now await to see his evidence that mind control is no longer happening.

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You're starting at the wrong place.

Where is the evidence "mind control" ever existed in the first place?

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He went from the very idea (as Biden would say) is whack-a-doodle. To: well, yeah umm, yeah, maybe they did this in the 50's and 60's

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Literally my first post about it, ITT

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MK Ultra is real, as in there was a program that existed that experimented on hallucinogens on people.

What is not so clear is how effective this program actually was at creating influence in those who participated in the program.

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What about Crooks being a backfire of sorts?

Supposedly he was a registered Republican. His parents are therapists. I've found, through the years in different social settings, that people in psychology generally trend to the eccentric and relying on FEELINGS too much...a leftist/liberal mindset (intensity would depend on the person).

What if the parents were trying to "deprogram" the Republican and Trumpism out of the kid surreptitiously? Maybe they saw that they maybe went a little too far and panicked when they didn't know where he was and Trump was in town. Why else would they be worried about a 20 yr old missing for several hours?

But I am curious about these encrypted comms the FBI spoke of.

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The 1953 CIA manual “A Study of Assassination” details protocols for political assassinations which shed crucial light on many of the irregularities surrounding the attempt on Donald Trump’s life.

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I mean thats interesting and look the CIA was up to all kinds of really insane shite during the 50' 60's, 70's. Possibly still are.. There have been numerous publications about MK Ultra and my father has been approached by many journalist over the years for their work with the CIA funded projects but refuses to talk about it publically because it bothers him so much.. You can Google his mentor Dr. Heath at Tulane if you are curious. He was one of probably a hundred or more researchers that worked on various forms mind manipulation projects for the US government during that time period.

That being said its a huge leap to say that any of that is involved with Trumps's assassination attempt. Especially if we are talking about the same methods used to attempt some form of mind control that was used back then. This guy would have to have been sequestered some where for weeks and if we go by what went down with many of the subjects of these past experiments. would have been a basket case for some time. Now did they come up with some new techniques....I guess anything is possible . It will interesting to hear from his parents and see what they have to say about actions and demeanor in the time leading up to the shooting.