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re: How the CIA creates Lone Gunmen through the MK Ultra Program
Posted on 7/17/24 at 9:38 pm to Jake88
Posted on 7/17/24 at 9:38 pm to Jake88
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If he was, you'll say it caused this. If he wasn't you'll say "Why wasn't he treated?"
And you’ll refuse to ever entertain the possibility that these psycho meds are linked to mass shootings. You aren’t as different as OP as you’d like to think
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Posted on 7/17/24 at 10:32 pm to Kjnstkmn
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Posted on 7/17/24 at 10:37 pm to kbtigers85
quote:I'd entertain it but most shooters are not on meds. And, normal people aren't usually put on meds. Something is going awry already with them.
And you’ll refuse to ever entertain the possibility that these psycho meds are linked to mass shootings
This post was edited on 7/17/24 at 10:39 pm
Posted on 7/17/24 at 10:42 pm to Kjnstkmn
Posted on 7/18/24 at 7:21 am to Hennigan
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Why wouldn't these psychopaths do stuff like this?
Precisely. The various MK projects the CIA carried out in the 60s and beyond were straight up crazy, and they were prodigious.
It's unreasonable to suspect that in the years that followed, as the Cold War got more and more tense, that they would've suddenly stopped due to spontaneous development of character/morals.
It's like a cheating spouse who's taken back. The likelihood of their changing their stripes is exceedingly low. All they've learned is that they must get better at hiding it.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 7:22 am to ThinePreparedAni
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ThinePreparedAni
Now it's a party.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 8:59 am to KiwiHead
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Manson a Fed.
All one has to do is trace the reformatories and prisons he entered, several of the guards, and Jolly West. They were all involved later. Tom O’Neill did a great interview on Joe Rogan’s podcast about it all in 2020.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 9:02 am to Kjnstkmn
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Dr. Milton V. Kline, former consultant to the CIA's super secret behavior-modification project Bluebird, is currently campaigning for strict legal constraints on hypnosis said exactly this in a now declassified document:
Posted on 7/18/24 at 9:06 am to VoxDawg
Just FWIW, that's not how appeal to authority is defined.
How he defines the "direct converse" is how AtA is defined.
The fallacy isn't "attacking the authority"
How he defines the "direct converse" is how AtA is defined.
The fallacy isn't "attacking the authority"
Posted on 7/18/24 at 9:08 am to TigerAxeOK
quote:most of them ended up being career criminals. So while being in "subculture:, because of that criminality, they aren't "hidden" for the same reason. They aren't hiding in the shadows waiting to pounce. Most of them where running gangs, in prison, or dead. I used past tense intentionally.
In full disclosure, it takes a certain "type" of person for the brainwashing and hypnosis to be effective.
The see eye A knows the indicators to easily identify these people, though. When you have an understanding of behavioral psychology and body language plus unfettered access to a person's communications because of the tracking devices we all carry around daily, it's pretty easy for them to select a target and manipulate them.
Do I think this kid was picked up and MKU'd? I don't know. I think it's more likely that power of suggestion was used through various channels to get him committed to act, but it's certainly possible. MKU was "officially" ended 51 years ago, but if we know anything at all about the US government it's that once they start doing something that has potential to benefit them, they don't just "quit" it. I suspect that a more modern and technologically advanced version of MKU is now beneath the DARPA umbrella.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 9:10 am to lake chuck fan
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MK Ultra is all fact. Anyone who doesn't believe it hasn't searched the topic. There are multiple credible videos and interviews available. Rogan has even had guest discussing the topic.
MK Ultra is real, as in there was a program that existed that experimented on hallucinogens on people.
What is not so clear is how effective this program actually was at creating influence in those who participated in the program.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 9:13 am to Bass Tiger
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I'm not saying anything other than a lot of mass shooters over the past 30 years have been on psychotropic medications.
Well crazy people who are treated will get that sort of medication. It's a correlation, not a causation.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 9:14 am to VoxDawg
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Precisely. The various MK projects the CIA carried out in the 60s and beyond were straight up crazy, and they were prodigious.
It's unreasonable to suspect that in the years that followed, as the Cold War got more and more tense, that they would've suddenly stopped due to spontaneous development of character/morals.
It wasn't about morals.
It was about ineffectiveness.
I don't deny the CIA/intel community does bad stuff, but they're not going to waste their time on an expensive program that isn't bearing fruit.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 9:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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they're not going to waste their time on an expensive program that isn't bearing fruit.
That I know of, no one is arguing that it hasn't been effective. To the contrary, we likely just saw evidence that it's still in play.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 9:34 am to VoxDawg
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no one is arguing that it hasn't been effective.
If you actually study real research on the program and not "connecting dots", it's pretty easy to discover this program didn't accomplish anything of note.
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To the contrary, we likely just saw evidence that it's still in play.
But if you do this, and base your beliefs on hopium while ignoring reality, anything is possible.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 9:48 am to Kjnstkmn
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he CIA is capable of creating lone gunman in three to six weeks with a trained therapist and hypnotherapy.
The shooter's parents called the cops when he was missing for a few hours. You would think they would notice if he was being exposed to the sorts of daily experiments done to victims of MK Ultra.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 9:50 am to ThuperThumpin
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The shooter's parents called the cops when he was missing for a few hours. You would think they would notice if he was being exposed to the sorts of daily experiments done to victims of MK Ultra.
Don't bring facts and logic into this discussion.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 10:31 am to VoxDawg
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That I know of, no one is arguing that it hasn't been effective. To the contrary, we likely just saw evidence that it's still in play.
Just anecdotal but my father worked for one of the well known scientist that was conducting this type of research. It was the wild west in the 60's and 70's when it came to what scientist in the US could get away with doing. It was so disturbing to him that he left the field entirely and only returned much later in life. But he said that much of it was straight up quackery and abuse of the test subjects....most of which were prisoners or the mentally ill.
Posted on 7/18/24 at 10:36 am to ThuperThumpin
Posted on 7/18/24 at 10:38 am to SlowFlowPro
Michael James Riconosciuto is an American electronics and computer expert who was arrested in early 1991, shortly after providing Inslaw, Inc. with an affidavit in support of their lawsuit against the United States Department of Justice. Riconosciuto was a CIA operative involved in a secret CIA operation to crack software the CIA wanted to steal and use.
Riconosciuto confirms the type of patsy the CIA recruits and uses for its operations. Thomas Matthew Crooks and Riconosciuto share identical profiles. Smart and easily described as a “nut job”. Also in line with above post outlining CIA assassinations.
The whole story is contained in the Netflix documentary “American Conspiracy: The Octopus Murders”
Riconosciuto confirms the type of patsy the CIA recruits and uses for its operations. Thomas Matthew Crooks and Riconosciuto share identical profiles. Smart and easily described as a “nut job”. Also in line with above post outlining CIA assassinations.
The whole story is contained in the Netflix documentary “American Conspiracy: The Octopus Murders”
This post was edited on 7/18/24 at 10:53 am
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