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re: How much better off we would all be if the South had been permitted to secede

Posted on 8/9/25 at 1:57 pm to
Posted by UtahCajun
Member since Jul 2021
2746 posts
Posted on 8/9/25 at 1:57 pm to
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; the North could easily replace soldiers 


Not really. The war was very unpopular in the Northern states.

The blockade would have only done so much against a nation that could feed itself with ease. It didn't change the pre-war situation. Slavery along with the monopoly in trade were the only two topics mentioned in every letter of secession.
Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 8/9/25 at 2:14 pm to
I could see the North and South fighting together in world war II.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39151 posts
Posted on 8/9/25 at 2:15 pm to
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But what do you think that the wild-eyed Southern boys would have done in response to that kind of thing?


Probably the same thing they did to newly freed black people and Republicans during Reconstruction. They would lose like they finally lost then too.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39151 posts
Posted on 8/9/25 at 2:17 pm to
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Eh, the idustrial revolution was the death nail to slavery. It was on the way out.



No, the worker's rights movements that existed in Europe and then eventually came to the US throws a wrench into that idea. It was always going to be profitable in light of what came. There was no worker's rights for slaves.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39151 posts
Posted on 8/9/25 at 2:20 pm to
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The southern planter class gave us the elite public colleges of the south to educate themselves...LSU, Ole Mis


LSU and Ole Miss aren't elite lol.
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
38283 posts
Posted on 8/9/25 at 2:29 pm to
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We would not have been taking orders from Biden during Covid.


The worst of COVID including the shot that this board hates was under Trump. But let's revise history.
Posted by BuckI
Grove City, Ohio
Member since Oct 2020
6939 posts
Posted on 8/9/25 at 2:43 pm to
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Not really. The war was very unpopular in the Northern states.

The blockade would have only done so much against a nation that could feed itself with ease. It didn't change the pre-war situation. Slavery along with the monopoly in trade were the only two topics mentioned in every letter of secession.
The war wasn't too popular among many in the North and South. Small farmers saw it as a war to benefit the slave owners, with nothing in it for themselves.

Even if the South could feed itself, which became harder as the war dragged on, what were they going to fight with when they ran out of weapons? They never had a chance.
Posted by Buryl
Member since Sep 2016
1018 posts
Posted on 8/9/25 at 2:48 pm to
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The south was set back decades due to the barbaric and unconventional (at the time) military tactics used by the Union, not to mention the punitive measures enforced during Reconstruction.


The second Reconstruction ended, Jim Crow was implemented. The south was so preoccupied with trying to re-live the glory days of slavery that the rest of the country passed them up.
Posted by dblwall
Member since Jul 2017
1058 posts
Posted on 8/9/25 at 2:53 pm to
Currently the south couldn't survive without the tax dollars sent to the feds as opposed to what they receive if you believe AI.

For example

New York paid an estimated $89 billion more in federal taxes than it received in 2023.
California sent about $78 billion more to the federal government than it received back in 2023.
New Jersey had a similar net contribution gap of roughly $70 billion in 2023

Conversely, states like Virginia received $79 billion more in federal funding than they paid in taxes in 2023, and Alabama received $41 billion more.
Posted by BuckI
Grove City, Ohio
Member since Oct 2020
6939 posts
Posted on 8/9/25 at 3:40 pm to
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The south was set back decades due to the barbaric and unconventional (at the time) military tactics used by the Union, not to mention the punitive measures enforced during Reconstruction.
Should not have shot Lincoln.

The North did not go far enough with reconstruction. Jim Crow laws prove that.

The one thing the North did that was evil was to allow northern financial institutions to rob poor southern farmers of their mineral rights, paying pennies to the dollar for what the poor did not realize the value of.
Posted by LSUMANINVA
West Virginia
Member since Sep 2004
9145 posts
Posted on 8/9/25 at 4:25 pm to
Or if we would have just picked our own cotton.
Posted by leeman101
Huntsville, AL
Member since Aug 2020
2368 posts
Posted on 8/9/25 at 4:52 pm to
Say the South seceded and allowed to operate on its own. A decade or two down the road if one of the CSA decided it wanted to rejoin the union would the CSA allow it and if it was allowed would other states slowly follow? Or would the all the states in CSA have to do it at once?

Also going back to the industrial revelation. The North benefited upfront in the factories. However they used orphanages as temp agencies.

It seems would not be until the invention for the farm tractor and the various implements it uses would replace much of the work the slaves did in the agriculture sector. However cotton still had to be picked by hand till the 50's or 60's.
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
56592 posts
Posted on 8/9/25 at 5:08 pm to
What do weapons matter to a gentleman?
Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
Member since Nov 2012
26657 posts
Posted on 8/9/25 at 7:59 pm to
That is what Johnny Cash did.
Posted by sabbertooth
A Distant Planet
Member since Sep 2006
5968 posts
Posted on 8/9/25 at 9:24 pm to
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No guarantee that the CSA could have actually formed a stable government with a standing army. Keep in mind, Lee lead the Army of Virginia, not the Army of the CSA. We are stronger as the USA .


I think this is a valid point. The confederate government was a complete cluster. I think the CSA’s loss on the battlefield was as much on the government than any other factor. The southern army and population were basically starved out of the war. I don’t see how the CSA government could have been successful if they had pulled off a peaceful settlement.
Basically the Planter class ran an inequitable government that heavily favored them. The planters wouldn’t even plant food crops instead of cotton to support the war they started. The poor working class was forced to fight their lost cause war.
Posted by DyeHardDylan
Member since Nov 2011
9034 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 10:26 am to
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Should not have shot Lincoln.


Got what he deserved
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3341 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 11:24 am to
If only the South had won, everything would be perfect!

Posted by RohanGonzales
Member since Apr 2024
7650 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 11:31 am to
We would be better off if we did it now.
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