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re: How many people here are personally pro-choice but oppose RvW based on state’s rights?

Posted on 7/2/18 at 3:23 pm to
Posted by cj35
Member since Jan 2014
6153 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 3:23 pm to
frick the states and all their rights. Abolish all states and live under a single unified rule of law.

Change USA to UMA (Unified Morons of America)
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
45784 posts
Posted on 7/2/18 at 4:29 pm to
I oppose abortion where the life of the mother isn't in question for the same reason I oppose the murder of those outside the womb. I don't think it's a matter that should be left to the states because it is a fundamental human right to be able to live without someone prematurely ending your life.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
69744 posts
Posted on 7/3/18 at 10:00 am to
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They are all things the state should decide.


Our ancestors also believed it was the right of the individual states to decide whether or not human beings could be owned by other human beings.

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You're a disgusting moron


With the above stated, it seems to me that you are the one who is disgusting. Using the 10th Amendment to justify the murder of human beings is just as bad as your great-great-great-great grandfather using the same amendment to justify ownership of another human being.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 7/3/18 at 10:12 am to
Fair enough that you believe this to be the correct solution to the abortion dilemna. I disagree, but I understand your analysis and respect it.

But where do you see this “right” in the Constitution? In our system of limited fedreL powwers (theoretically), where do you see the States or the People having assigned this determination to the feds?
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
45784 posts
Posted on 7/3/18 at 10:34 am to
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But where do you see this “right” in the Constitution? In our system of limited fedreL powwers (theoretically), where do you see the States or the People having assigned this determination to the feds?
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14th Amendment, Section 1

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the law
A state saying it's OK to kill an unborn child is just as wrong as a state saying it's OK to kill a newborn or a toddler. The SCOTUS even said as much regarding abortion but the sticking point was when the unborn child became "viable". I think that aspect of the discussion needs further inspection.
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